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Ingersoll Bakelite Threaded Tack Repair

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#1 Greenie

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 02:52

There is plenty on line about the plain tack twist repair. This is NOT about that version. 

 

Does anyone have any experience or pointers with the Ingersoll pens with the threaded tack that has arrows and the "empty" and "fill" on the tack? The inside of the twist unit appears to have a slot for a screwdriver. The threaded part of mine was pretty rusty looking, so I am not sure if the parts are stuck, or if my assumptions are wrong. 

 

My pen is open, sac is out. I am putting a long screwdriver down the barrel into the slot (looks just like it is the head of a screw....)  and trying to twist off the end knob.

 

I would appreciate any input from someone who has restored this model before.



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Posted 08 March 2016 - 22:27

Greenie,

I can't help.  None of my Ingersoll pens have any wording at all on the twist filler tack.  I have restored the filler system on all of mine (four metal, two celluloid) except the bakelite one, and I just haven't gotten around to it.  After reading your post, though, I'll be careful when I do try.  I'm going to keep an eye on this thread to see what I can learn.

Here's a picture of my Ingersolls...the bakelite is on the right.

John

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Posted 09 March 2016 - 03:58

Bama,

 

Is your knob on the Bakelite on threaded? Or is it just a tack like the metal and celluloid?  I don't know if all the celluloid have threaded knobs, or if all the threaded knobs are labelled with arrows. Binder's site implies that the bakelite pens all have threaded knobs and not just furniture tacks.

 

My metal and celluloid Ingersoll pens all have tacks into a rubber plug - one metal, one smaller celluloid with exposed tack, and two larger with blind caps.  I have two bakelite. One came with a tack, but the barrel hole was too wide for the tack. I made an inner washer with a small hole to put in the barrel to stabilize the tack, and made a conical washer for the outside. It is a very functional restoration and the pen now behaves and looks just like the celluloid sans blind cap.  My latest one has the threaded knob, and I have no experience with it.

 

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Posted 09 March 2016 - 04:21

Bama,

 

Is your knob on the Bakelite on threaded? Or is it just a tack like the metal and celluloid?  I don't know if all the celluloid have threaded knobs, or if all the threaded knobs are labelled with arrows. Binder's site implies that the bakelite pens all have threaded knobs and not just furniture tacks.

Greenie,

I don't know if my knob is threaded or not, but I'm going to guess "not" because it is a smooth round knob, not the cast one with the words on it.  Of course I don't know for sure that the knob is original to the pen.  I suppose I'll have to get busy and disassemble the pen to find out.

John



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Posted 11 May 2016 - 06:47

Hi Folks,

 

First - a quick not on the history - there were definitely Bakelite pens with the standard upholstery-tack "stem winder", just like the celluloid or metal ones. Some, like the cardinal red pen in Bamapens first photo, have a stem winder tack that is larger and flatter than found on the metal pens.

 

However, the only pens with the threaded nob are made of bakelite. They never made celluloid or metal pens with a threaded nob.

 

Here is an old thread where I discussed some options for these pens. The threaded nob is attached to a slotted nut inside the pen, which is removed by carefully twisting with a screw-driver (like a Sheaffer Touchdown or Snorkel).

 

Unfortunately, these have a major design floor concerning how you attach the sack to the nut. If you do it like a standard Ingersoll, then you end up with ink in contact with the brass nut. Alternatively you can glue the end of the sack to the nut, but that has issues as well. The old thread looks at a few different ideas on the subject.

 

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 14:47

Thank you for helping out.

 

At least I know that I am trying to get the twist unit apart correctly, but it is just stuck. I actually have two of these and can't get either twist unit apart. I have tried soaking in oil, lots of patients, heat, whatever.  Still, I can get a screwdriver in the slot inside and turn the outside - no luck. Just stuck.

 

And now, thanks to your post, I also have ideas what to do if I ever get this back end piece to  unscrew.



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Posted 15 May 2016 - 19:06

Greenie,
 
Did you succeed in getting either of your Ingersoll twist fillers with the screwed-in knob undone?
 
I am unable to help with any suggestions because all of my Ingersolls, including the one bakelite pen, have push-in "upholstery tack" knobs.  The tack on the bakelite one is almost the same diameter as the end of the barrel and is quite flat, with no grippy grooves like all of the others I've seen.
 
I'd be curious to see pictures of the parts of the screw-in type, providing you get it apart.


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Posted 15 May 2016 - 23:09

Still stuck. It has a slot for a screwdriver on the inside portion. It has visible threads. It should not be a mystery how to TRY take it apart. But it is stuck.

 

So, unless I go with the method of trying to glue the butt end of the sac to the metal portion inside the pen, I am at a loss.  

 

I am sure I will try  more soaking in oil, etc etc again some day.

 

Shame, because these all write so well. Don't tell anyone our secret!







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