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#1 danielnewman1977

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 22:55

Hi, my name's Danny and I live in Romford, Essex, England.  For years I have used/owned Parker fountain pens but I recently was given a Montblanc fountain pen.

 

I wonder if anyone can help me determine if it's genuine.  There is no serial number and the nib is all gold instead of gold/silver.  Also, from pictures I have seen, the grip is white instead of black. 

I have seen from the photos here that the some came with an all gold nib but it says nothing that I can see (unless I missed it) about serial numbers.

 

The nib is all gold and has engraved on it
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Montblanc logo with 'M' in the middle
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The cap has "Montblanc - Meisterstück No.146"

 

The clip has "W Germany" stamped on it.

I guess that may make it genuine but I've never seen one with a white grip like that before (see photo).

I have been a Parker user for many years owning Duofolds mainly so I don't know much about Montblancs.

 

I've attached a photo.

 

Regards

Danny

 

*edit - I thought it came from a loft clearance but I've since been informed it wasn't.  It was bought for me.

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Posted 05 February 2016 - 00:13

Looks like the grip might have reacted with something. I'd say you'll need more photos before it can be determined if it's legit.

#3 danielnewman1977

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Posted 05 February 2016 - 01:33

Hi, I hope these help.  If not please let me know

 

Regards

 

Danny

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Posted 05 February 2016 - 07:16

Looks like a mid 1980s 146 with a bad section. No serial numbers before about 1991 or so, so no worries there.

You can likely use it as is, if the damage is cosmetic. Or you can send it to MB and for about 60 quid they will basically send you a new pen with your old nib and clip.

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Posted 05 February 2016 - 07:23


You can likely use it as is, if the damage is cosmetic. Or you can send it to MB and for about 60 quid they will basically send you a new pen with your old nib and clip.

 

 

+1 for this. I see you're in Essex. You could send it to Montblanc directly, or if you go into London you could take it to the Montblanc department of Harrods, or one of the other London boutiques and they will send it for you.

 

As it's an old 146 it will likely need a service anyway, and you will get a lot for your money as zaddick says.



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Posted 05 February 2016 - 08:43

That is a very odd reaction. If the piston is working fine, and it were my pen I might be tempted to try an extremely fine micromesh (or a gentle rub with liquid micro-gloss) to see whether that worked, and then an application of renaissance wax. I would only try that as I'd want to keep the pen as original as possible; as Zaddick and Chrissy say Montblanc may exchange much of the barrel. If you're not bothered about keeping it original then MB do provide a great service. Good Luck.



#7 danielnewman1977

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Posted 05 February 2016 - 11:28

So the general consensus would be that it is genuine?  Thanks everyone.  I am going to contact Montblanc about a service.

 

I found a thread on here which was initially not helpful but, having read responses, I found it now incredibly helpful.  It has a grey clear section above the grip which indicates it's a transition pen?

 

Regards

 

Danny


Edited by danielnewman1977, 05 February 2016 - 11:37.


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Posted 05 February 2016 - 12:32

...snip...

 

It has a grey clear section above the grip which indicates it's a transition pen?

 

... or a 1970's/1980's model, before the striped ink window was introduced on the modern 146.

 

Nice monotone nib, too.



#9 danielnewman1977

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Posted 05 February 2016 - 12:47

Here's another close up showing the nib, the discoloured grip and the clear inkwell.  It was the discolouration that had me concerned as to whether it is a genuine Montblanc.  Whether it was a customisation, special edition, a reaction or a weird manufacturing fluke.

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 00:30

Some plastics react like that. Some Waterman sections turn white after extended use.

 

I am speculating that soaking a pen in hot water and use of additives to that water might do this, but I am not sure about it.

 

 

 

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#11 danielnewman1977

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 00:56

I actually contacted and sent photos to two lovely ladies at Montblanc and they say that it's definitely a genuine 146 LeGrand.  They also said that it's possible that the grip is probably non-original.  I have a Montblanc boutique in Romford near me.  When I get a chance maybe I'll pop in there with it.



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Posted 06 February 2016 - 05:36

I kinda like it like that.

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#13 danielnewman1977

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 23:43

I kinda like it like that.

To be honest so do I, it's different. 



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Posted 07 February 2016 - 00:14

First time to see 146 Meisterstück with a gray grip ! I am really very anxious to know how the grip turned from black to gray in case if it is a genuine part ! 


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Posted 07 February 2016 - 21:28

Doesn't hard black rubber (HBR) turn grey in boiling water?


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Posted 08 February 2016 - 23:58

Doesn't hard black rubber (HBR) turn grey in boiling water?

It does discolor, but I am not sure to grey. I would think maybe brown.

 

Old MB celluloid will turn a similar milky blue-grey in hot water. That happened to a pen I purchased, but it can usually be buffed off.

 

This 146 in question is resin so hot water should not have discolored it. It looks to me more like some sort of a chemical reaction as it even appears to go up the start of the threads. Like it was left in a cup of some liquid for too long. 


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Posted 09 February 2016 - 01:18

I think it's quite appealing, as is. If it were mine, I wouldn't touch it...unique, interesting and a nice contrast to the rest of the pen.



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Posted 09 February 2016 - 03:44

I wouldn't touch it either.

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 15:25

Just polish the section.

 

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#20 danielnewman1977

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Posted 10 February 2016 - 00:11

I've decided to leave it as it is. 







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