Help To Identify A Waterman Pen

[itaFra]

Hi everybody,

could you please help me to know more details about this pen? I see a sign 18KF. The pen works perfectly.

 

I received this pen from my grandfather in Italy but without case.

 

These are my question:

-Model and year,

-Its possible to find the case?

-How much is the value?

 

I will make more photo.

 

Thank you

Francesco

 

 

[Left FPN]

It's a safety pen but whether it's a Waterman is another matter. Probably had the overlay done in Italy.

[RMN]

Nice.

 

The overlay is likely Italian, as Force says, or possibly French.

 

I can't read the imprint on the nib.

Like Force, I doubt if this is a Waterman.

 

These jewellers made these overlays over a very basic no frills pen.

The craftsmanship is tremendous. Nibs is a matter of luck, I hear. This nib may be original, or a replacement.

 

 

D.ick

[itaFra]

Other photos:

Imprint on the nib "OMAS 585"

 

 

[itaFra]

Imprint: waterman's 18 KF

[RMN]

Well, you could call this a Franken pen. Or a Marriage.

 

With that imprint it is probably an official Waterman-overlay. They did some nice ones, but you more often see "no-name" (but very beautiful) overlays on a basic pen.

 

That nib is too small for the pen. Apparently someone wanted the Waterman nib for something else, or it was damaged, and was replaced by that Omas 14K nib (585 means 58.5% gold content=14k. The overlay is 18k)

 

 

I am not sure what the F stands for in 18KF. Possibly for France?

 

 

I hope some of our French friends knows.

 

 

D.ick

[itaFra]

Well, you could call this a Franken pen. Or a Marriage.

 

With that imprint it is probably an official Waterman-overlay. They did some nice ones, but you more often see "no-name" (but very beautiful) overlays on a basic pen.

 

That nib is too small for the pen. Apparently someone wanted the Waterman nib for something else, or it was damaged, and was replaced by that Omas 14K nib (585 means 58.5% gold content=14k. The overlay is 18k)

 

 

I am not sure what the F stands for in 18KF. Possibly for France?

 

 

I hope some of our French friends knows.

 

 

D.ick

Maybe F stands for filled. I saw some abbreviations on the web.

Do you think that i have to buy its original nib? And the case, do you think that i will find on the web?

[phaus]

Wow. That's a very nice overlay. In fact, I like that more than any other that I've seen. I agree that if the brand name "Waterman" appears on the gold overlay, that it is likely an official version. The OMAS nib is probably a replacement. My favorite nibs are Watermans, but OMAS nibs from that time period have a very good reputation as well. I'm not sure about the value though.

 

If you look on the bottom end of the pen (The flat part of the black piece on the bottom), if there's a number there could you tell us what it is? Most Waterman pens of this era have a model number (For example 42). If there's a number we can tell you more about it. If it is a 42, new nibs start from about $30, although super-flexible nibs can cost quite a bit more.

 

Here's an older thread with a little bit of information.

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/177751-italian-overlay-watermans/

Edited January 20, 2016 by phaus

[RMN]

Maybe F stands for filled. I saw some abbreviations on the web.

Do you think that i have to buy its original nib? And the case, do you think that i will find on the web?

 

Don't know about the filled.

 

As for original nibs? I am not into buying and restoring vintage pens (although these overlays do interest me), so I would not know availability and prices. These days everybody wants a sexy flexy Waterman nib so prices are high.

Sometimes you have to just buy a beat up old pen and salvage the nib for a transplant.

 

 

D.ick

[itaFra]

 

 

 

Wow. That's a very nice overlay. In fact, I like that more than any other that I've seen. I agree that if the brand name "Waterman" appears on the gold overlay, that it is likely an official version. The OMAS nib is probably a replacement. My favorite nibs are Watermans, but OMAS nibs from that time period have a very good reputation as well. I'm not sure about the value though.

 

If you look on the bottom end of the pen (The flat part of the black piece on the bottom), if there's a number there could you tell us what it is? Most Waterman pens of this era have a model number (For example 42). If there's a number we can tell you more about it. If it is a 42, new nibs start from about $30, although super-flexible nibs can cost quite a bit more.

 

Here's an older thread with a little bit of information.

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/177751-italian-overlay-watermans/

 

[phaus]

OK. So it has a 42 on the end, which means that it is definitely a Waterman 42 with an overlay. The nib has to be a replacement. The original nib should have been a number 2 Waterman Ideal nib. A regular 42 without the overlay usually comes in a cardboard box. However, something as fancy as yours would probably be in a box more like this: https://www.google.com/search?q=waterman+42+overlay&biw=1866&bih=993&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi0zJPKz7jKAhWKpR4KHUxyAB4QsAQIGw#imgrc=i1drdgc6yAUuHM%3A

[missuslovett]

I'd imagine the F stands for 'filled' as without hallmarks for precious metal, these are known as gold filled overlay pens. Omas are a fine Italian maker and perhaps your grandfather replaced the original Watermans nib with something more readily available. It's certainly a very beautiful pen.

[chunya]

Not sure if it's exactly the same as yours, but I saw one of these a while back, and managed to track it down. The Ebay link doesn't have any photos anymore, but it has a bit of info. The photo is a Pin that links to the Ebay page.

A nice price!

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160875530372

 

Edited February 12, 2016 by chunya