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Rohrer & Klingner is one of my favourite Ink makers. They offer nice and reasonably priced (especially in Europe) standard inks as well as two gall inks (Salix and Scabiosa). It seems the company is a little underrated among fountain pens aficionados. I believe their products should receive more attention.

Few months ago the company’s introduced a line of six Dokumentus Inks sold in 50 ml glass bottle. Dokumentus ink is the world's first fountain pen ink that conforms to the requirements of DIN ISO 12757-2 (the standard that determines archival quality). Rohrer and Klingner Dokumetus inks has been certified for use by registrars on official documents, they’re ph-neutral, permanent and archival.

Some criteria of this certification require color to remain readable after a defined dose of sunlight and under the influence of water the ink may only extend so far that the text line remain visible. ISO 12757-2 requires legibility and the ability to be stored for long periods of time. These inks should show resistance to water, light, ethanol, hydrochloric acid, ammonia, and bleach. I’ve tried only water. Test was positive. Water won’t do any harm to the text written with one of Dokumentus inks.

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The line consists of six colors:

  1. Braun (Brown)
  2. Dunkel Blau (Dark Blue)
  3. Grun (Green)
  4. Hellblau (Light Blue)
  5. Magenta
  6. Schwarz (Black)

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Magenta is too pink for me.

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Drops of ink on kitchen towel

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Software ID

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Tomoe River, Kaweco Sport Classic, broad nib

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Leuchtturm1917, Kaweco Sport Classic, broad nib

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Oxford notebook, Hero 5028, stub 1,9

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Water resistance

(white balance is slightly off - artificial light, shot taken 5 hours after putting this page into water)

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I'm actually quite taken with this one. Thanks for the reviews on these inks; I'm going to pick up a few bottles now :lol:.

~Jaime

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Thanks for the review! I love this one! It seems like there is some water resistance and shading. I prefer water resistant inks so thats a plus. The color is so lovely too.

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Add me to the pinkies, please.

 

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OOOOH. Pretty.... I like. I WAAAANT!

How is it for spread and show through? I didn't really like the De Atramentis Document Fuchsia because of that, so I'd love to see a comparison between that and this.

Thanks for the review.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

"It's very nice, but frankly, when I signed that list for a P-51, what I had in mind was a fountain pen."

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Great review! While I do like the color, I don't think I would use it that much. Besides, I just got a bottle of the retina searing R&K Fernambuk.

"Today will be gone in less than 24 hours. When it is gone, it is gone. Be wise, but enjoy! - anonymous today

 

 

 

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OOOOH. Pretty.... I like. I WAAAANT!

How is it for spread and show through? I didn't really like the De Atramentis Document Fuchsia because of that, so I'd love to see a comparison between that and this.

Thanks for the review.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

Hi Ruth!

Here's a comp. Herbin glass dip pen on Rhodia.

The Fuchsia had (at least seemingly) some sediment, so I shook both both bottles gently. On writing, the first thing noticeable was that the Fuchsia was definitely much more saturated and darker, more easy to read (as regards any documention material, IMO, although for a testament and so forth, I wouldn't use any magenta colour). By the by, I wouldn't call the DeA Fuchsia a "pink". But if you're into pinks, you'll probably prefer the R&K. Both of these inks had the same flow and lubrication. Also, no real feathering or spreading was discernable; or, if so, I'd say that the R&K showed a little wee bit more feathering than the DeA did:

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/peli46/doc%20Magenta%20and%20Dok%20Fuchsia_1.jpg

 

Now for a shot of the other side of the paper. This is the easiest job: the R&K results in more show-through, although not all that much. The DeA also provides at least some show-through. I wouldn't rank either of these as any real bleeders:

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/peli46/doc%20Magenta%20and%20Dok%20Fuchsia_3.jpg

 

After soaking in water for exactly 5 minutes, it then looked like this. Basically, I see no big diff in permanence at all. Both are very water resistant, IMO practically equally water resistant. I myself am not interested in alcohol (at least on paper) or acetone etc etc so therefore no experiments, no comments here. (BTW the degree of show-through here did not increase upon/after soaking in water for 5 minutes):

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/peli46/doc%20Magenta%20and%20Dok%20Fuchsia_2.jpg

 

I hope you love at least one of the two!

 

Mike

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I've tried a few of the De Atramentis Document inks, but have, overall, been underwhelmed by them. Yes, they're waterproof, but the Turquoise spread and bled like crazy, the Archive Black was really dry and didn't flow well, and the Red was well, um not my definition of anything faintly resembling red (something that could best be described as "salmon pink" is NOT red).

The Fuchsia was better about spread than the Turquoise, but it's also pretty flat. The R&K Magenta appears to have more shading.

Thanks for posting the side by side. That helps me immensely.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

"It's very nice, but frankly, when I signed that list for a P-51, what I had in mind was a fountain pen."

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There's a 12-year-old fountain-pen-wielding girl out there somewhere who would love, Love, LOVE this ink. Nice shading.

 

Or one in her forties...

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I've tried a few of the De Atramentis Document inks, but have, overall, been underwhelmed by them. Yes, they're waterproof, but the Turquoise spread and bled like crazy, the Archive Black was really dry and didn't flow well, and the Red was well, um not my definition of anything faintly resembling red (something that could best be described as "salmon pink" is NOT red).

The Fuchsia was better about spread than the Turquoise, but it's also pretty flat. The R&K Magenta appears to have more shading.

Thanks for posting the side by side. That helps me immensely.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

 

It's strange that these pigmented red inks for fp all seem to be a pale colour which in no way resembles a real "red" colour. Like DA Document Red, Platinum Red, Sailor Storia Fire Red...

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It's strange that these pigmented red inks for fp all seem to be a pale colour which in no way resembles a real "red" colour. Like DA Document Red, Platinum Red, Sailor Storia Fire Red...

By Platinum Red, do you mean the Mix-free Flame Red? Because that color was awful.... :sick:

I gave the bottle away to a guy in my pen club who is a math professor so he could use it for grading exams. I'll bet his students hate him.

The only consolation I have is that it was free....

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

"It's very nice, but frankly, when I signed that list for a P-51, what I had in mind was a fountain pen."

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Thanks Mike for the comparison. Vis, is it chalky?

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ah! Thank you.

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

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inkstainedruth, on 27 Dec 2015 - 13:14, said:

I've tried a few of the De Atramentis Document inks, but have, overall, been underwhelmed by them. Yes, they're waterproof, but the Turquoise spread and bled like crazy, the Archive Black was really dry and didn't flow well, and the Red was well, um not my definition of anything faintly resembling red (something that could best be described as "salmon pink" is NOT red).

The Fuchsia was better about spread than the Turquoise, but it's also pretty flat. The R&K Magenta appears to have more shading.

Thanks for posting the side by side. That helps me immensely.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

 

I completely agree about the DeAtramentis Document Turquoise (such spread and feathering!), but I absolutely love the Fuchsia, Black, and Blue colors. The Fuchsia has become my primary markup color.

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By Platinum Red, do you mean the Mix-free Flame Red? Because that color was awful.... :sick:

I gave the bottle away to a guy in my pen club who is a math professor so he could use it for grading exams. I'll bet his students hate him.

The only consolation I have is that it was free....

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

No I don't mean that one. I mean the pigmented one aka Rose Red. It's even uglier than the one you talked about...

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It's strange that these pigmented red inks for fp all seem to be a pale colour which in no way resembles a real "red" colour. Like DA Document Red, Platinum Red, Sailor Storia Fire Red...

I talked to R & K about this. The problem is there are no red pigments in the required size with sufficient light resistance.

 

Thomas

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