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#1 RMN

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Posted 21 December 2015 - 22:45

This topic is intended to show the various sizes and forms of the Waterman cartridges and converters over the years.

 

 

As far as I know Waterman did invent the cartridge. First glass, later made of plastic, it has seen some different forms.

 

Also there have been various converters, even within the same basic type the looks were different.

 

 

Please post your pictures and accompanying information on this subject.

 

 

 

Bear in mind that posts may be redacted to reach a comprehensive result.

 

 

 

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Posted 24 December 2015 - 08:21

1. Glass cartridge - long (65mm)

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2. Glass cartridge - medium (52mm)

3. C/F cartridge (also used with Watermina pens)

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or another style (also used with Watermina pens)

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4. C/F converter - side bar (also used with Watermina pens)

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5. Side bar converter (some were fixed)

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6. Jifmatic lever converter (some were fixed)

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7. Large Size Standard cartridge (polyethylene) - 72mm

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8. International short cartridge (polyethylene) - 42mm

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9. Plunger converter - all plastic (my sample was damaged in the post)

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10. Plunger converter - metal/plastic

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11. Screw converter - grooved ring, nylon piston with integral seal

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12. Screw converter - plain ring, black plastic piston, red silicone O seal

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13. Screw converter - grooved ring, black plastic piston red silicone O seal

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Special to the Edson Emerald

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Special to the Edson Ruby

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Special to the Edson Sapphire (This is the 2014 onward version. The earlier version will have a grooved ring)

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14. Screw converter - spiral (threaded) ring, black plastic piston, black O seal.

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15. Screw converter - all black plastic mouth

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16. No 23 cartridge (for No 88 pen ??) Possibly termed 'Maxima' which was introduced by JiF-Waterman in 1963

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17. Flash converter 1 - side bar

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18. Flash converter 2 - side bar

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19. CF Converter - side bar with bar towards the tail end of the body. Sorry about the poor picture, it was lifted from a CF web sale. (also used with Watermina pens)

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Posted 24 December 2015 - 13:08

See also these topics:

 

http://www.fountainp...58-waterman-88/

 

http://www.fountainp...ication-please/

 

 

 

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 12:13

Some more coming, Force?

 

In that case I would better wait.

 

And you'll need to insert a third glass cartridge...... There are at least 3 sizes.

 

 

 

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 13:36

Some more coming, Force?

 

In that case I would better wait.

 

And you'll need to insert a third glass cartridge...... There are at least 3 sizes.

 

 

 

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OK yes good thinking.

 

I have only seen two glass sizes and Richard B states two sizes but does not provide specifics.

 

Maybe one of our other Waterman experts can chip in.



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Posted 29 December 2015 - 15:45

Waterman 88 cartridges.

 

It is yet a mystery to me for which pens these were intended.

 

Pictures courtesy Mark Hoover.

 

fpn_1451403682__waterman_88_carts_1.jpg

 

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#7 RMN

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 15:54

3 sizes of glass cartridges. 1 small, and 2 large and extra large (my denomination)

 

Pictures courtesy Mark Hoover

 

Small

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Large

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Slightly Larger still

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together

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#8 Force

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Posted 09 January 2016 - 13:17

Shown here is the Screw converter - all black plastic mouth (post #2, item 15) approaching and fitting the spear adapter of a Carene.

 

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Posted 09 January 2016 - 23:24

Force, just to be sure...

What do you mean with "Screw-converter" ?

 

Waterman has no screw-in converters like the Schmidt K6

But the piston works on screw action.

 

 

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Posted 10 January 2016 - 07:27

Force, just to be sure...

What do you mean with "Screw-converter" ?

 

Waterman has no screw-in converters like the Schmidt K6

But the piston works on screw action.

 

 

D.ick

Waterman brochures refer to them as screw converters because the piston mechanism screws in and out. 

 

The unit does not screw into the section.

 

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Posted 11 January 2016 - 15:27

Forgive my probably incredibly off-topic post, I've been away from the forums for a while (studies, and enjoying my new diamine collection) and since I was a lurker in the first place have probably forgotten the etiquette! My hemisphere waterman fountain pen black gt was recently stolen, and as it had great sentimental value I've immediately replaced it. However in losing the pen I also lost my converter. I can't quite remember where I found the last one, though I remember it was on the advice on one of the forum members here... Is there a specific modern cartridge converter needed for watermans?


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Posted 11 January 2016 - 20:30

Forgive my probably incredibly off-topic post, I've been away from the forums for a while (studies, and enjoying my new diamine collection) and since I was a lurker in the first place have probably forgotten the etiquette! My hemisphere waterman fountain pen black gt was recently stolen, and as it had great sentimental value I've immediately replaced it. However in losing the pen I also lost my converter. I can't quite remember where I found the last one, though I remember it was on the advice on one of the forum members here... Is there a specific modern cartridge converter needed for watermans?

 

Numbers 11 to 15 in Force's post above.

Current one sold is nr 15.

Every shop carrying Waterman pens can help you there. And  it's also available online at many good shops, and even at Amazon.

 

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 15:07

Good morning. I am new to FPN. I just found a FP that I had in a closet for about 20 years. It is a Waterman L'Etalion Green Lacquer. I need to find the appropriate converter to see if it still works (I remember I didn't use it that much). What converter should I buy? In addition, it seems like I left it with a used cartridge of ink and An unclean nib for all those years. I am following the booklet and soaking it in 1/3 house ammonia (Windex) and 2/3 water. Any other suggestion?

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Posted 31 March 2016 - 17:03

Good morning. I am new to FPN. I just found a FP that I had in a closet for about 20 years. It is a Waterman L'Etalion Green Lacquer. I need to find the appropriate converter to see if it still works (I remember I didn't use it that much). What converter should I buy? In addition, it seems like I left it with a used cartridge of ink and An unclean nib for all those years. I am following the booklet and soaking it in 1/3 house ammonia (Windex) and 2/3 water. Any other suggestion?

The Etalon would have been supplied with a standard screw converter, post #2, item 12 or 13.

 

If you cannot source one at a sensible price then look to buying the very latest version, post #2 item 15, from a Waterman dealer or Amazon.



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Posted 31 March 2016 - 18:10

Thank you, very much, Force!

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 05:48

Waterman 88 cartridges.

 

It is yet a mystery to me for which pens these were intended.

 

Pictures courtesy Mark Hoover.

 

fpn_1451403682__waterman_88_carts_1.jpg

 

fpn_1451403744__waterman_88_carts_2.jpg

Possibly the 88 pen,

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Posted 29 May 2016 - 05:17

Very nice information! Thank you. I always noticed the glass converters has some small black or blue brick like sort of object I guess to shake and keep the ink fluid?? I have a cf pen set as well as the duo 7, each with glass cartridges.

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Posted 29 May 2016 - 06:49

Very nice information! Thank you. I always noticed the glass converters has some small black or blue brick like sort of object I guess to shake and keep the ink fluid?? I have a cf pen set as well as the duo 7, each with glass cartridges.

That is the seal plug which must (can only) be pushed inside.



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Posted 11 July 2016 - 00:12

Waterman brochures refer to them as screw converters because the piston mechanism screws in and out. 

 

The unit does not screw into the section.

 

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Would appreciate some info about where to score a new CF converter.  Have seen them on Ebay, but they seem way overpriced--or is it just me?  Thanks in advance



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Posted 11 July 2016 - 07:33

 

Would appreciate some info about where to score a new CF converter.  Have seen them on Ebay, but they seem way overpriced--or is it just me?  Thanks in advance

 

Overpriced is a matter of opinion. They are getting scarce hence prices go up.

 

Nothing to do about that. AFAIK no one is currently making new ones.

 

 

 

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