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Which Kwzi Ig Inks Are Fade Proof?


Abner C. Kemp

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I bought a Levenger 5 year journal and planned on using the journal with Noodler's Liberty's Elysium in one of my favorite Sheaffer Admiral pens with a fine nib. Unfortunately, when I wrote my name on the first page of the journal I noticed some considerable feathering and bleed through. As I need to use both sides of the page in this journal, it seems Noodler's Liberty's Elysium is out :mellow:. I was thinking of buying Noodler's FPN Manuscript Brown for the journal as well but have a feeling it will give a similar outcome.

 

So, as I was planning to buy a KZWI IG ink anyway, figure I'll pick one up to use in my journal. I would prefer something in the brown range. I need the ink to be lightfast and I'd like it to be as archival as possible. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am not married to the KWZI inks either, really just looking for something that will behave decently well and offer a semi-archival quality that is an interesting color.

 

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Without having real data of the "fade" quality of KWZi (remember the inks have only been around for 4+ years).. I will say the IG inks in general are considered of archival qualities.. so they should display some fade resistance.

 

For color.. Konrad has not released (yet!) a Brown Iron Gall ink... but if you see examples of IG Gold, IG Mandarin and IG Orange... they all oxidize to a somewhat darker brown hue color...

 

 

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IG Gold

 

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IG Mandarin - https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/298112-kwz-ink-iron-gall-mandarin/

 

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IG Orange - https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/298806-kwzi-74-orange-iron-gall-ink/

 

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Found an interesting write up from Konrad (@KWZI)

 

http://kwzink.com/language/en/manufactured-inks/iron-gall-inks/division-of-iron-gall-inks/

 

 

 

It looks like pretty much ANY ink will fade with prolonged exposure to light. So keep your journal closed at all times.... unless you are writing of course.. :rolleyes: .

 

 

 

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I don't know anything about long term behaviour of KWZ Ink IGs but here are my observations on bleedthrough.

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Iron had no time to oxidase so colours are far from final, but bleedthrough won't change significantly.

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Konrad has already stated that the dyes he is using right now are not fade resistant. The IG inks will have some natural fade resistance.

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Konrad has already stated that the dyes he is using right now are not fade resistant. The IG inks will have some natural fade resistance.

 

Ah, thanks I didn't catch that. Are there any inks that are notorious for archival quality without much bleed through or feathering. Noodler's Black was one of my other choices but it seems the Noodler's inks are just a bit too saturated for the Levenger paper. It wouldn't be a problem if I didn't have to use both sides of the paper but unfortunately the layout of the journal dictates that I must. I figured an iron gall ink would run a little drier than the Noodler's and hopefully allow for double sided writing. I guess if worse comes to worse I can go with something like Diamine Registrars which I've sampled and found to be quite well behaved. I'd just love to have a more interesting color and I'm a sucker for an interesting brown.

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Konrad's inks are slow enough to fade that I think you'll get 40 years without any worry.

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The iron gall component of the ink will not fade. The dye component may fade, or may be overtaken by the darkening of the iron gall part.

Iron gall inks have been used in Europe and the Mediterranean for over 1500 years now, and there are examples of those books that are still in excellent condition.

How much darkening you get depends on the proportion of IG in the ink.

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Perhaps you need to try the new Documentus archival ink of Rohrer & Klingner. They have a brown archival ink. It definately will not fade.

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Dyes that I use in both standard and IG inks are not lightfast. But I do not see any reason why they should fade in a closed journal. Even dyes in standard inks should not loose any color in 50 years or so.

 

Sometime ago I have seen agreements and ledger from 1890-1899 that was written using IG ink... and well, they are in way better state than my notes written with Salix few years ago...

 

I think that now bigger problem is paper - most of modern papers are detoriating fast and this might speed up fading of various inks.

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Dyes that I use in both standard and IG inks are not lightfast. But I do not see any reason why they should fade in a closed journal. Even dyes in standard inks should not loose any color in 50 years or so.

 

Sometime ago I have seen agreements and ledger from 1890-1899 that was written using IG ink... and well, they are in way better state than my notes written with Salix few years ago...

 

I think that now bigger problem is paper - most of modern papers are detoriating fast and this might speed up fading of various inks.

 

Thanks, thanks that makes sense. I'll be picking up a KWZI ink, I wish the brown could be released by christmas!! I think IG Orange will work well -- once it oxidizes it looks like a nice Sepia. I'm excited.

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Just had occasion to look at an old journal. Written thirty-five years ago, with a variety of inks and been on a shelf for a long while. Only ink that showed any sign of fading is a blue that is just lightening itself to death. Sure wish I could remember what ink it was. The journal was written with Platignum Italic Silverline pens. From any ink available.

 

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