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A Sheaffer Triumph Crest Masterpiece?

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#1 MattChiang0929

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Posted 18 November 2015 - 08:20

A friend of mine ask me about this pen today, I think it is a Triumph Crest Masterpiece, but I am still not sure.

It is an early Triumph, I think, black radiet and Vac-fill. A 14K hallmark can be found on the clip, but no hallmark on cap. And I think it is mixed, because of the absence of white dot.

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A Crest Masterpiece's cap should be made by solide gold, I am not sure whether this pen's cap is solide gold or not. The cap is much heavier than my Crest's GF cap.

So, is it a Crest Masterpiece? Have it ever been made in other color? 



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Posted 18 November 2015 - 13:41

I think the hallmark indicates the cap's a Masterpiece, but I don't know for sure really. I don't think they made gold-filled caps with solid 14k clips. The body should have a white dot on the blind cap, and if not the barrel is probably from a regular 42-44 Triumph. They fit the 38-42 peaked-cap Crests. 

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Edited by Robert111, 18 November 2015 - 13:42.


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Posted 18 November 2015 - 17:44

It's a Crest Masterpiece cap. The pattern shown was not used on gold filled caps.

 

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Posted 18 November 2015 - 19:14

Is there a price code on the barrel?

I don't know if Masterpieces had a price code imprint or not.

In any case, it's certainly a Masterpiece cap.

Edited by BrianMcQueen, 18 November 2015 - 19:29.


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Posted 19 November 2015 - 05:40

It's a Crest Masterpiece cap. The pattern shown was not used on gold filled caps.

 

--Daniel

That's a good news! Can we find a Triumph Crest Masterpiece in brown stripe or other colours?



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Posted 19 November 2015 - 05:42

I think the hallmark indicates the cap's a Masterpiece, but I don't know for sure really. I don't think they made gold-filled caps with solid 14k clips. The body should have a white dot on the blind cap, and if not the barrel is probably from a regular 42-44 Triumph. They fit the 38-42 peaked-cap Crests. 

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No white dot, so I think the barrel is from a Triumph 1250. Fortunately, I find a blind cap with white dot for it!



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Posted 19 November 2015 - 05:46

Is there a price code on the barrel?

I don't know if Masterpieces had a price code imprint or not.

In any case, it's certainly a Masterpiece cap.

No price code, the barrel is from a Triumph 1250... Masterpiece's price code should be 10000, and 5000 for Crest Masterpiece.



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Posted 19 November 2015 - 06:30

No price code, the barrel is from a Triumph 1250... Masterpiece's price code should be 10000, and 5000 for Crest Masterpiece.

 

Note that "Triumph 1250" is not a Sheaffer model designation. The "1250" found stamped on some barrels is merely a price (in cents).

 

There is no corresponding stamp of 10000 on a Masterpiece.

 

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Posted 19 November 2015 - 09:51

 

Note that "Triumph 1250" is not a Sheaffer model designation. The "1250" found stamped on some barrels is merely a price (in cents).

 

There is no corresponding stamp of 10000 on a Masterpiece.

 

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I know "Triumph 1250" is not a official name, just add a 1250 to distinguish it from other Triumph...

If Masterpiece does have a price code, I think it should be 10000, but no price stamp on Masterpiece in fact. 



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Posted 19 November 2015 - 13:18

I think the hallmark indicates the cap's a Masterpiece, but I don't know for sure really. I don't think they made gold-filled caps with solid 14k clips. The body should have a white dot on the blind cap, and if not the barrel is probably from a regular 42-44 Triumph. They fit the 38-42 peaked-cap Crests. 

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This is incorrect. The 38-42 peaked-cap Crest had threads on the section and the 42-44 Triumph barrels of course don't fit those. They do fit the redesigned 42 and early 43 peaked-cap Crests. Sheaffer again redesigned Crest caps in 43 and I don't know if the Triumph barrel fits the new cap. 

 

So it seems likely your Masterliece was made in 42-43.

 

Daniel, if you're still reading this thread, is it also possible this is a smaller model, the "ladies" model? It just looks a little smaller than a full-size Crest to my eye.


Edited by Robert111, 19 November 2015 - 13:19.


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Posted 19 November 2015 - 18:07

 

This is incorrect. The 38-42 peaked-cap Crest had threads on the section and the 42-44 Triumph barrels of course don't fit those. They do fit the redesigned 42 and early 43 peaked-cap Crests. Sheaffer again redesigned Crest caps in 43 and I don't know if the Triumph barrel fits the new cap. 

 

So it seems likely your Masterliece was made in 42-43.

 

Daniel, if you're still reading this thread, is it also possible this is a smaller model, the "ladies" model? It just looks a little smaller than a full-size Crest to my eye.

 

I don't follow the first part. Can you rewrite it, adding in "caps" and "barrels" to clarify?

 

There is no ladies' model of the Triumph-nibbed Crest (or Crest Masterpiece).

 

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Posted 19 November 2015 - 18:14

 

I don't follow the first part. Can you rewrite it, adding in "caps" and "barrels" to clarify?

 

There is no ladies' model of the Triumph-nibbed Crest (or Crest Masterpiece).

 

--Daniel

 

 

Actually all I'm asking is your opinion on the size of OP's Crest Masterpiece. See Jim Malmoulides's article on his PenHero site, "The Early Sheaffer Crest 1937-1950" in which he has photographed and discussed two sizes. I ask because I've been impressed with your uncanny ability to identify Sheaffer models from photos (no sarcasm here). 


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Posted 19 November 2015 - 19:06

 

 

Actually all I'm asking is your opinion on the size of OP's Crest Masterpiece. See Jim Malmoulides's article on his PenHero site, "The Early Sheaffer Crest 1937-1950" in which he has photographed and discussed two sizes. I ask because I've been impressed with your uncanny ability to identify Sheaffer models from photos (no sarcasm here). 

 

As noted, there is no smaller (or ladies') Triumph-nibbed Crest or Crest Masterpiece. Jim's article only mentions and shows the smaller size of the flat-nibbed earlier Crest.

 

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Posted 20 November 2015 - 16:11

 

As noted, there is no smaller (or ladies') Triumph-nibbed Crest or Crest Masterpiece. Jim's article only mentions and shows the smaller size of the flat-nibbed earlier Crest.

 

--Daniel

 

In the middle of the article there is a photo of a set with this caption:

 

"Sheaffer Crest 1500 Vacuum-Fill (Extended) and Matching 600 Pencil c1942-1945 / Ladies Model"



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Posted 20 November 2015 - 17:00

 

In the middle of the article there is a photo of a set with this caption:

 

"Sheaffer Crest 1500 Vacuum-Fill (Extended) and Matching 600 Pencil c1942-1945 / Ladies Model"

 

We're specifically discussing the peaked-cap style Crests in this topic (the date range given in that caption is an error).

 

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 15:18

 

We're specifically discussing the peaked-cap style Crests in this topic (the date range given in that caption is an error).

 

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Daniel, what's the different between Triumph Crest 1500 and Triumph Crest Deluxe 1750? The descriptions in Jim's article are totally the same. 



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Posted 21 November 2015 - 18:33

Daniel, what's the different between Triumph Crest 1500 and Triumph Crest Deluxe 1750? The descriptions in Jim's article are totally the same. 

 

Note that there is no model designated by Sheaffer as the "Triumph Crest 1500" or "1750"; the numbers found on some of these pens are merely prices (in cents), which has long been wrongly interpreted by collectors as a model number.

 

The more expensive Deluxe versions of Sheaffer's postwar pens are somewhat larger than their non-Deluxe counterparts.

 

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P.S. Note again that the dates give in that article are incorrect; the rounded-cap, rounded innerspring clip-style Crests (and others) are from the spring of '45 or later.


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