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I hear the M800 M nib is a little stubbish. Is the M600 M nib similarly stubbish (slightly broader line in the down stroke)? I have 2 M600's with F nibs and am thinking of swapping one of them for an M if it is slightly stubbish.

 

 

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I don't find that with either the 800 or the 600 nib you may have a new nib with character. :)

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I didn't find any of my M800 (or M600) nibs stubbish at all.

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I have not detected any stubbishness in my examples of either. At least not in recent production nibs. Late 80s, early 90s nibs may be a different story before the tipping material got overly blobby.

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Thanks everyone for your feedback. I thought I read some one on the forum mentioning the M nib on their M800 was stubbish. Anyway good to know so I dont have any false expectations if I get the M nib for my M600. Maybe I'll source out a 14K italic if there is one. I quite enjoy the M200 steel italic nib.

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Matt Armstrong ("The Pen Habit") mentioned in his review of the M805 that he found the M nib to be a bit stubbish. For the current version of that pen (with monotone nib) I can't confirm that. There may be a minuscle amount of variation comparing two diagonal strokes, but you'll never notice in normal writing. My M400 on the other hand shows a very slight "stubbishness", so it might depend on the individual nib.

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Matt Armstrong ("The Pen Habit") mentioned in his review of the M805 that he found the M nib to be a bit stubbish. For the current version of that pen (with monotone nib) I can't confirm that. There may be a minuscle amount of variation comparing two diagonal strokes, but you'll never notice in normal writing. My M400 on the other hand shows a very slight "stubbishness", so it might depend on the individual nib.

I'm glad you posted this.

I have a M805 M (new monotone) nib, and my observations are exactly the same as in the blog you quote. My M640 is also stubish - I was beginning to think I was the only one that thought that. The tips on those pens resemble some of the medium nibs of the 80s/early 90s. But, in general, the effect is much more subtle.

 

I believe that you are right when you say that it may depend on the individual nib.

In fact, even among the old nibs for the M400/M250 I see this individual dependence: I just got one of those medium nibs and it has no line variation - I have several of those nibs, and the characteristics change a little from nib to nib, but this is the first one that gives me no line variation whatsoever. So, I guess it's just a matter of luck and you can't buy them counting on it being stubish.

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I have a 600 with a medium ib. It's definitely broader on the downstroke than the horizontal. I really love this particular nib (have had other 600 medium nibs that weren't nearly as lovely to write with).

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None of my m400-m800 nibs behave like a stub (otherwise I wouldn't have sepent all that money getting them Binderised/Motthishawed!)

However, I obtained a vintage NOS m700 toledo with a factory Broad nib off a fellow FPN member, and it not only behaves like a stub but is actually a better stub than those that are custom ground (with a hint of exaggeration).

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Hello Guys,

I have new Pelikan m800 medium nib from 2017, one from the 90s and an EF from 2017 that writes like an M. My apologies for the bad handwriting and the composition. My M nib from the 90s does appear to be quite stubbish.

 

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Green = new 2017 Nib swapped with Tortoise brown

Tortoise brown = 90's Nib

Toledo = EF nib

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Farazqamar -

 

Thanks for the photos! The 2017 M tip looks a bit odd. The 2017 EF does write like an M, but the tip looks ok. My EF is similar.

 

I have quite a few M nibs in the 400 size from the early 90s and they do have a stubbish grind.

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Hello Guys,

 

I have new Pelikan m800 medium nib from 2017, one from the 90s and an EF from 2017 that writes like an M. My apologies for the bad handwriting and the composition. My M nib from the 90s does appear to be quite stubbish.

 

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Green = new 2017 Nib swapped with Tortoise brown

Tortoise brown = 90's Nib

Toledo = EF nib

 

Toledo is so elegant.. I don't know why I sold my m900. Maybe I should buy it again now seeing your pictures.

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I had a BB in a 605....a tad stubbish??? must have been a real small tad if so...nothing compared to the '50-65 stub nibs.....but not nearly as much as a fat B MB Woolf nib, which was and is stubbish.

 

I eventually had my BB made 1.0 Stub.

 

I do think the semi-nail fat and blobby 400/600 nibs are improved by having them stubbed or made CI.

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Toledo is so elegant.. I don't know why I sold my m900. Maybe I should buy it again now seeing your pictures.

 

You should get a Toledo. Its a beautiful pen!

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Farazqamar -

 

Thanks for the photos! The 2017 M tip looks a bit odd. The 2017 EF does write like an M, but the tip looks ok. My EF is similar.

 

I have quite a few M nibs in the 400 size from the early 90s and they do have a stubbish grind.

 

you are welcome. I think its the way i took the pic made it look odd. otherwise it looks fine to me but i dont like it.

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I would have sworn my M in my M805 was the same in both directions, but I just measured and on vertical strokes with a light hand it's doing a 0.65mm line but only 0.35mm on the horizontal lines. So I guess it does have a slight stub grind to it, but it's not noticeable in normal use.

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I would have sworn my M in my M805 was the same in both directions, but I just measured and on vertical strokes with a light hand it's doing a 0.65mm line but only 0.35mm on the horizontal lines. So I guess it does have a slight stub grind to it, but it's not noticeable in normal use.

 

is it a fairly recent nib?

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