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What "standard" Ink Is Closest To Bung-Box 4B?

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#1 AndyYNWA

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:16

What "Standard" ink is closest to Bung-Box 4B? Especially when it comes to color, but also in shading and other properties.

 

Since Bung-Box inks are both quite tricky to get hold of and and rather expenseive, I'm curious if there is an alternative that comes close.


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Posted 03 January 2016 - 02:27

I'm reviving this thread because I would really like to know this, too.  I'm totally in love with the BungBox 4B and a more readily available, (and hopefully) cheaper option would be great to have.


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Posted 03 January 2016 - 02:59

Interesting topic.

Hmmm... I can't say that I've ever come across an ink similar to 4B.

The only ink that comes to mind is a rather weak substitute, but can be found for $10 to $15 on Rakuten: Iroshizuku Tsuki-yo. However, it doesn't sheen as readily as 4B nor is the color as saturated. Both inks feel different when putting pen to paper, though the performance of both are excellent.

I love Tsuki-yo, but it was never meant to replace an ink such as this. :/

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 04:05

4B is totally unique, IMO because if it's sheen.  You won't get sheen like that from most other inks.  

 

Now, if you want an ink that's got some sheen, some water resistance and is a great dark blue, get Blue Manhattan from Fountain Pen Hospital.  (It used to be Manhattan Blue).    I also really like Midnight blue from Noodler's.  What I like about these inks as that like 4B, they are BLUE blacks not teal.  I will try and post up my quick comparisons.

 

If you want amazing sheen and a dark almost black ink, then you want Mirau from Sailor. It's a green black with sheen.  


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Posted 03 January 2016 - 04:09

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 04:09

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 04:13

Okay, so I have Manhattan Blue, Midnight Blue, 4B, 4B in a different pen, and then Mirau.

 

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 10:25

I received a sample of 4B from migo, and I find it quite teal. Or maybe it's the sheen that tricks the eye to think it's more teal than it is...

But I really love that ink!

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 20:13

Glad you are enjoying it!

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 22:16

Thanks for the comparisons.  Looks like maybe that Midnight Blue or Manhattan Blue would be closest (depending on the wetness/size of the nib).  Unfortunately, none really nail it.  I'll just have to make an effort to conserve my bottle of 4B and make it last. 



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Posted 03 January 2016 - 22:54

Thanks for the comparisons.  Looks like maybe that Midnight Blue or Manhattan Blue would be closest (depending on the wetness/size of the nib).  Unfortunately, none really nail it.  I'll just have to make an effort to conserve my bottle of 4B and make it last. 

 

 

Use it, enjoy it.  Don't hoard it.


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Posted 04 January 2016 - 02:49

Hmm, that Noodler's midnight looks different than the bottle I purchased December 2013, so I guess there is batch to batch variance, my bottle also seems to have shifted to a lighter color over the course of two years.

 

Hopefully these two photos show it, bad light source right now.......

 

TWSBI Vac 700 fine nib with Midnight Blue circa december 2013

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Sheaffer 300 fine nib with Midnight Blue from yesterday

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Posted 04 January 2016 - 02:52

I think it's a bigger difference with paper. The paper that shows the sheen is Tomoe River which is not absorbent.  Your paper actually absorbed the ink.  Compare your images to the ones at the top - no sheen.


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Posted 23 April 2016 - 02:32

I have found no substitute for the 4B. The color, shading, flow and sheen are unmatched, so while I cringe at the price, I continue to buy it. 



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Posted 23 April 2016 - 03:09

What about Yama dori?

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 04:43

YD is beautiful and sheens like crazy but it is a much more turquoise color than 4B.  

 

Here is YD compared to J Herbin Emerald of Chivor.

 

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 05:05

In my limited experience, I would say the closest I have seen are Shin-kai and Sherlock Holmes, both of which I find attractive and well-behaved. That said, 4B seems to be as close as you can get to a unique ink within the seemingly constrained world of blue-black. I bought a bottle in large part because of the raves by people here. When it arrived, and I used it a little bit, my first reaction was: I paid $XX for that? But every time I use it, it gets more interesting, and now it fascinates me as much as any other ink. It is, at the risk of sounding too ink-geeky, magic ink. 







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