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#1 mkeeley

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 14:57

Perhaps I've not looked hard enough but one thing that would be nice is a list of models and dimensions, plus any other info that would be of interest. If nothing else it's handy so you know the size of what you're thinking of bidding on. Doesn't just apply to MT's. Of course if I've overlooked it then just ignore me! But in case there isn't one here's one to get started.

 

Mabie Todd Swan 4660

 

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General

Made in England, leverless.

 

Body

Closed length: 141mm

Body: 126mm

Cap: 66mm

Posted: 171mm

Body widest: 13mm

 

Grip widest: 11mm

Narrowest: 9mm

 

Nib

Size: No.6

Length: 23mm

Width: 9mm

 

Weight

Total: 19g

Body: 12g

Cap: 7g

 

Additional Information

It was mentioned in a blog that it was made in 1950/1 due to the lack of brass threads.


Edited by mkeeley, 30 August 2015 - 09:54.

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#2 MarcShiman

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 15:44

This is a really good idea (must be the first name). The problem is that at least with MTCo USA, their tolerances were terrible, and I've got 46 size pens that differ by more than 1/4"

 

I think a model list is valuable, particularly in that we can decipher the numbers - most of the numbers should indicate a pen's length (full length, vest pocket, etc.)

 

I think they did a better job of consistency with the UK models.

 

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 04:04

Hmm, intriguing idea, and I like it. I wasn't aware of the lax tolerances, but I was going to ask whether these measurements would be from official documentation or user self-measurement (I think that sounded a whole lot more innocent in my head at the time of writing, but there you go)!


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#4 mkeeley

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 08:43

Not seen any official specs, but if there were any it would likely just be total length, so self measured/weighed.


Edited by mkeeley, 30 August 2015 - 09:10.

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#5 Cepasaccus

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 09:03

There is also a measurements list in the Waterman's section. It is without photos, but the numbering system is consistently present on Waterman's pens and easily understood.



#6 mkeeley

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 09:06

Bit basic but better than no list at all, anyway as it seems there isn't one then you're meant to be adding pens not just saying it's a good idea :P


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Posted 30 August 2015 - 09:49

Mabie Todd, Sterling silver snake clip

 

 

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General

No model number stamped. Sterling silver. Made in USA, sold in England, self filler.

 

Body

Closed length: 128mm

Body: 112mm

Cap: 61mm

Posted: 168mm (cap not fully pushed on)

Body widest: 10mm

 

Grip widest: 8mm

Narrowest: 9mm

 

Nib

Size: No.2

Length: 16mm

Width: 6mm

 

Weight

Total: 23g

Body: 11g

Cap: 12g

 

Additional Information

The hallmark on the bottom is for imported Sterling silver, London 1931, it also has M T Ltd stamped there. Around the bottom edge reads Swan Pen" Mabbie Todd & Co New York Sterling Silver Made In USA. The clip is removable.


Edited by mkeeley, 30 August 2015 - 09:53.

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#8 Cepasaccus

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 14:52

Adding it watermanlike now would be no problem, but I need photos for this and this needs a bit of time. And as I wrote we really need photos. With most Waterman's pens a short description is all what's needed, e.g. "52 in BCHR with nickel lever and clip".



#9 Cepasaccus

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 16:10

Mabie, Todd & Co. The Calligraphic

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General
BCHR. Eyedropper. Imprint "PAT.1877.8.9. / MABIE.TODD&Co". No model number stamped.

Body
Closed length: 170mm
Body: 162mm with nib, 147mm without nib
Cap: 43mm
Posted: 197mm
Body widest: 9mm

Grip widest: 7.5mm
Narrowest: 6mm

Nib
Size: No.1
Length: ?
Width: 5.4mm

Weight
Total: 6.7g
Body: 5.8g
Cap: 0.9g

Additional Information
Patent for imprinted date not findable. Date is neither as 8th of September nor as 9th of August a valid patent date of the US. Could mean 1877, 1878 and 1879. Or it is a patent from a different country or typo.

Edited by Cepasaccus, 30 August 2015 - 16:24.


#10 Cepasaccus

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 16:22

Is the body length with or without nib?

#11 mkeeley

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 16:23

Mine were with, not sure it matters without.


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Posted 30 August 2015 - 16:36

With nib is more important, but also more variable.

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 16:37

Mabie, Todd New York The Swan S.F.2

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General
Lever filler. 18k gold full overlay. Imprints nearly vanished. No model number stamped.

Body
Closed length: 131mm
Body: 114mm with nib, 97mm without nib
Cap: 61mm
Posted: 168mm
Body widest: 10mm

Grip widest: 9mm
Narrowest: 8mm

Nib
Size: No.2
Length: ?
Width: 6.3mm

Weight
Total: 26.6g
Body: 16.5g
Cap: 10.1g

Additional Information
Lever stamped 18kt. London import hallmarks from 1931/2. Nib has been bought from Cob.

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 16:56

Mabie, Todd & Bard New York The Swan Pen 3012

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General
Eyedropper filler. BCHR. Imprint "THE SWAN PEN / PAT.FEB.8 81.FEB.21.82.MAR.6.88 / MABIE,TODD & BARD New York". Stamped model number "3012".

Body
Closed length: 132.5mm
Body: 124mm with nib, 110mm without nib
Cap: 41,5mm
Posted: 156mm
Body widest: 8.7mm

Grip widest: 7.4mm
Narrowest: 6.5mm

Nib
Size: No.1
Length: ?
Width: 5.1mm

Weight
Total: 6.3g
Body: 5.0g
Cap: 1.3g

Additional Information
Advertised as pocket pen.

#15 Cepasaccus

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 17:03

Mabie, Todd "Swan" Pen with Teardrop Filigree

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General
Eyedropper filler. BHR with rolled gold teardrop filigree. Imprint "SWAN" PEN. No model number stamped.

Body
Closed length: 131mm
Body: 124mm with nib, 110mm without nib
Cap: 56mm
Posted: 168mm
Body widest: 9.5mm

Grip widest: 8.3mm
Narrowest: 7.4mm

Nib
Size: No.1
Length: ?
Width: 5.4mm

Weight
Total: 13.2g
Body: 8.3g
Cap: 4.9g

Additional Information

#16 mkeeley

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 12:31

Mabie Todd Swan SM112

 

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General

Flat top and bottom. No model number stamped, colour is 72, pastel green. Made in England, self filler.

 

Body

Closed length: 117mm

Body: 102mm

Cap: 55mm

Posted: 141mm 

Body widest: 10.5mm

 

Grip widest: 7mm

Narrowest: 8mm

 

Nib

Size: No.1

Length: 16mm

Width: 6mm

 

Weight

Total: 13g

Body: 5g

Cap: 8g

 

Additional Information

Circa 1937-38. The short closed length suggests it's a vest version much like the Waterman V's. Possibly for the military.

 


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 17:35

Mabie, Todd & Co. New York "Swan Pen" S.F.2B with 9ct gold overlay

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General
Lever filler. 9ct rose gold overlay. Imprint "SWAN PEN" MABIE TODD & Co NEW YORK / MADE IN U.S.A.". Nib made in England. English import hallmarks 1931/2. English jewelers mark AKW. US stamped 9ct including lever. Model number S.F.2B stamped on feed.
 
Body
Closed length: 103,5mm
Body: 91mm with nib, 72mm without nib
Cap: 51mm (with fixed ring)
Posted: 134mm (with nib)
Body widest: 9.9mm
 
Grip widest: 8.9mm
Narrowest: 8.5mm
 
Nib
Size: No.2
Length: ?
Width: 6.2mm
 
Weight
Total: 17.2g
Body: 10.6g
Cap: 6.6g
 
Additional Information

 


Edited by Cepasaccus, 02 September 2015 - 17:40.


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 17:44

Mabie, Todd & Co. Ltd. mottled Swan Propelling Pen

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General
Safety eyedropper filler. Red-black Mottled. Imprint SWAN PROPELLING PEN / MABIE.TODD & Co Ltd / MADE IN ENGLAND. 18ct size 2 New York nib. No model number stamped.
 
Body
Closed length: 122mm
Body: 133mm with nib, 111mm without nib
Cap: 35mm
Posted: 155mm (with nib)
Body widest: 11.4mm
 
Grip widest: 11.0mm
Narrowest: 9.3mm
 
Nib
Size: No.2
Length: ?
Width: 5.9mm
 
Weight
Total: 13.3g
Body: 10.5g
Cap: 2.8g
 
Additional Information

 



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Posted 06 September 2015 - 10:53

Mabie, Todd & Bard Swan 4663

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General
Eyedropper filler with feed plug. BCHR with chased 18k gold bands and solid gold clip. Imprint THE SWAN PEN / PAT.OCT.2'86.MAR.6.88.JUL 9'95 (sic!) / MABIE.TODD & BARD,NEW YORK. Engraving W.A.Jamesson / April 1906. OBLIQUE POINT nail nib. Model number 4663 FINE stamped.
 
Body
Closed length: 139.5mm
Body: 124.5mm with nib, 110.5mm without nib
Cap: 52mm without clip, 80mm with clip
Posted: 175mm (with nib)
Body widest: 9.8mm (gold band 10.1mm)
 
Grip widest: 9.2mm
Narrowest: 8.0mm
 
Nib
Size: No.3
Length: ?
Width: 6.2mm
 
Weight
Total: 12.0g
Body: 8.4g
Cap: 3.6g
 
Additional Information
 



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Posted 06 September 2015 - 11:49

Mabie, Todd & Co. New York Swan 5 S.F.

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General
Lever filler. BCHR. Imprint SWAN SELF-FILLING PEN / MABIE,TODD & CO. NEW YORK / PAT.JAN.26-04.PATENTS APL'D FOR. Imprint at the end 5 S.F.. Imprint on clip PATENT / JAN.19 / 1915 / "SWAN"CLIP. Imprint on cap SCREW CAP TIGHTLY with arrow. New York size 5 nib.

Body
Closed length: 114.5mm
Body: 107mm with nib, 85mm without nib
Cap: 60.5mm
Posted: 153mm (with nib)
Body widest: 12.4mm

Grip widest: 10.1mm
Narrowest: 8.1mm

Nib
Size: No.5
Length: ?
Width: 7.3mm

Weight
Total: 14.1g
Body: 8.2g
Cap: 5.8g

Additional Information
 





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