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Experience With Twsbi Eco?


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#41 Alteyz

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 12:28

Are people finding that you can write with it straight out of the box, or are you doing a flush? If the latter, is mild soapy water sufficient, or have you had to also use a little ammonia?

 

To be honest you should always flush any fp you receive and water should be fine.

 

Better to be safe than sorry wasting ink when you realise the pen wont write and you need to flush it to remove any residue ink from the seller testing or residue oil from manufacture.



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Posted 03 December 2015 - 13:31

I didn't flush mine first and wish I did. 

 

I can see now that my EF nib and feed are slightly misaligned which I would have picked up if I had washed it first. It still writes beautifully regardless so I'm going to tinker with it after I'm done with the ink. 

 

My 1.1 stub writes quite dry. I don't know if it the ink I have in there (it started out as a 50% evaporated old yellow mixing ink and then I sucked up some water and then I sucked up some old red mixing ink and combined it all in the pen...) or maybe it just needs a clean, or maybe it is just a dry nib. My never to be repeated orange ink looks great though so again, I'm going to use the ink up and then wash it out. 



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Posted 03 December 2015 - 15:50

My 1.1 stub writes quite dry. I don't know if it the ink I have in there (it started out as a 50% evaporated old yellow mixing ink and then I sucked up some water and then I sucked up some old red mixing ink and combined it all in the pen...) or maybe it just needs a clean, or maybe it is just a dry nib. My never to be repeated orange ink looks great though so again, I'm going to use the ink up and then wash it out. 

I would not judge the pen based on your "frankenink" mix. Commercial inks have wetting agents in their formulation to assist the capillary flow. My 1.1 Eco pen writes quite wet with the several inks I have put through it, including J. Herbin's Emerald of Chivor, which worked very well.


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Posted 07 January 2016 - 22:12

I have 2 TWSBI Ecos and am liking them a lot, with one caveat below:

 

One issue that I didn't realize might be off with my first Eco (which I didn't notice until I got the second) can be seen in the photo below.

 

The top pen is a black 1.1mm stub, my first Eco, and the white one is my second, an EF. Both have their pistons fully retracted but you can see the locations of the pistons are not lined up. I think related to this is the issue that the black one's piston knob doesn't tighten to a friction stop when fully retracted, which makes me worry a bit about it spinning and squirting ink when in pocket.

 

Has anyone had this issue (loose piston knob)? I'm hoping if I remove the piston assembly I might find that I mis-threaded it when I first opened the pen to put the silicone grease on. Any help is appreciated!

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 22:20

You can use the little tool and reset them to be exactly alike.


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Posted 08 January 2016 - 03:59

You can use the little tool and reset them to be exactly alike.

 

Thanks. I flushed the pen and used the wrench to take the piston assembly out, and after about 45 minutes of trial and error got it pretty much fixed (although now the black piston is a little farther forward than the white one's).

 

For future reference, here's what I think happened: when I first removed the piston assembly to apply the silicone grease as the pictograph instructions show, I think the piston "stem" came loose from the piston knob. I probably accidentally twisted the knob a bit before putting it back together, so when the stem re-seated itself the knob was unscrewed too far. So to fix it I basically reversed that, getting the stem unseated, tightening the knob a bit, and then re-assembling. It's a little frustrating bit of trial and error though since you can't tell until everything's back together where the piston's retracted position is.

 

Anyway, thanks again!



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Posted 11 January 2016 - 21:06

I do have a question regarding the piston; how often should you take it apart to grease it? I assume that this is periodic maintenance for a pen, how will I know when it needs doing?

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Posted 11 January 2016 - 22:07

Majolo, I watched the Goulet video, then my buddy Frank C, came over and taught me to do it.  I did the disassembly and reassembly on three pens and then taught it to my daughter who did the same, she disassembled and reassembled three pens, and then she "taught" Frank who tried to be a bad student.  :)  Anyway, I learned a lot and if any pen was made to learn on, it's probably the Eco.  I wouldn't want to try it on my Pelikans because if I messed it up, I'd be sick.  Anyway, good job.

 

That being said, Kelly, I don't disassemble my TWSBIs when I add silicone.  I am one of those weirdos who found real silicone spray, but this method works well for me with the silicone that I can drop in or if I use a toothpick, I take the silicone into the barrel through the top.  I then use the toothpick to smear it around and then I run the piston up and down until everything feels smooth.  I would suggest you do this whenever you feel the piston to get a little sticky.  I would say that I grease my pens after every fill of a supersaturated color and super cleaning, but at least after every fourth fill.  

 

Keep in mind, that I am one of the most abusive TWSBI owners on the market.  I use my TWSBIs every day with super saturated inks that I keep in for a month at a time.  I have custom ground nibs and I write with my pens a lot, and I even share them with others.  While many people baby their pens, my TWSBIs and Kustom Kara's Inks (aka KKInks) are my workhorse pens.  At any given time, I have 30 pens inked up and I use them, I expect to fill my pens with 366 different inks this year, and most of those fills will be in my TWSBIs.  (As one time, I also own more TWSBIs than anyone else in North America, but I've been surpassed.)  Let's just say that today is a "slow" day, I only have 6 TWSBIs of a total of 23 pens inked.  I will probably ink up another 3 TWSBI's tomorrow.


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Posted 12 January 2016 - 04:52

I find myself removing the piston every time I want to change inks - not because I *have* to, but because I find that after flushing there's always a bit of coloured water that 'hangs up' behind the grip section.  If I simply refilled, the tiny amount of water and ink involved would probably make no discernible difference to the new ink colour - but as I say, I get anally retentive about these things (plus it's so easy to do!), so I remove the piston and shove some tissue paper into the ink reservoir to wick it away.  



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Posted 31 January 2016 - 23:11

In the eyes of a college student that uses it as his workhorse/main pen, superb quality.  I have the black version in a fine nib and I use it to its full capacity without abusing it. I got it as my main pen due to the high ink capacity and it being a demonstrator. I have it filled with Lamy blue but thinking of using R&K Salix once it arrives in the mail. Having used it for about a month non stop, it writes well and no hard starts nor skipping. Only thing I can't say is how long its going to last with TWSBI history of pens cracking and the ECO being my first TWSBI. I do recommend it though.



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Posted 31 January 2016 - 23:11

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Posted 01 February 2016 - 18:41

I have now used by Eco pretty much daily for quite a few months, almost since it first came out. I've had zero problems with it (or with the second one I got, either) and I've had it constantly inked and just refill it once it's dry. (only happened twice, which shows how much ink it holds) I've cleaned it once as I put an ink in when I first got it that I didn't like so cleaned it out and refilled it.

 

My only issue with it at all is I wish the cap stayed on better. It will work itself off. But this is the only pen I have with which I can write unposted and still be comfortable. All other pens I have to post to fit my largish hands.

 

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 03:37

I have a white eco and loving it from the moment I got it. Got the fine nib. This pen writes beautifully out of the box. I started off this hobby with lamy and I have quite a few lamys. TWSBI nibs are so much better than lamy's.

 

I will be getting another eco in stub nib. Hopefully they already sort of the ink flow issues with their broader nib drying up after writing a page or two.



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Posted 19 February 2016 - 17:26

They're great writers, they look robust, and beautifully modern. I'd suggest any other pen if one is looking for his first experience or everyday carry pen.



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Posted 19 February 2016 - 17:41

I have been using my Eco (black-fine) for 6 months now and have had no problems. It's too long to post, so that is not an issue for me. It has been continually inked and I use it most days. On the go in my shirt pocket or clipped to the placket on pull-overs.

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Posted 21 February 2016 - 05:04

I have been a happy camper with my 580 with a broad custom ground to a stub. I just this evening ordered my first Eco. White with a 1.1, a notebook and some inks.

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 18:59

I have owned by Twsbi Eco (M knib) for 6 months and have used it every weekday during that time. For the first 5 months of use, I adored this pen and, subject to the minor posting issue, could not fault it. It's well documented amongst this forum and other online communities that sometimes the cap will not post securely. This is not a big deal for me, it bothers me maybe once a week and for the first 5 months of use would have been the only niggle preventing this pen from being perfect. One just has to be quite firm with posting it.

 

HOWEVER, in the last month I have had experienced the pen produce a number of large drops of ink from the nib ruining my work and making a mess. Today this happened again, but worse than before. This was particularly embarassing as it was in a meeting with a prospective new client who now probably thinks I have a cheap fountain pen. The truth is, I do, but I thought the good thing about this pen is that one got premium features and premium performance for a budget price. 

Does anyone know what might be causing this. The pen is not cracked in any way; I can only deduce that the nib was loose or the piston filling mechanism was loose. Really a shame as a pen I loved as a large capacity butter smoothe writer is now at risk of being replaced by something more expensive (which will have to be much more expensive to match the otherwise excellent TWSBI Eco).

 

In case it's relevant, I'm using J. Herbin Violette Pensée ink.



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Posted 24 March 2016 - 20:58

thepiman,
I had that problem with my Parker and Parker Quink ink. The pen would constantly drool on me. I switched to Pelikan ink and no more drooling.
In that case, I surmise that the Parker Quink was too wet for the wet feed, and the dry Pelikan ink was dry enough to counter the wet feed.
So the easy fix is changing to a dryer ink.

The harder fix is to adjust the nib/feed to get the pen to write dryer. This is much more difficult than getting a pen to write wetter.
You could try to scissors the tines of the nib, to close/reduce the gap in the nib. But you will NEED to check and adjust the tip alignment after, as this usually messes up the tip alignment.

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 21:14

I am more inclined (*)  to think that the nib and feed of the ECO can  loosen up a bit and give way to the ink. It happened to me once ona new ECO, I have two. I just 1) removed both 2) put the pen up holding the ink 3) made sure they were positioned correctly and 4) reassembled making sure they were well tucked in. NO mpre problems with that. Same ink, have change dto several brands and has not happened again.

* there may be several reasons for this,each case could be different.

Hope this helps. These two ECOS both have EF nibs and have never had a problem since. The second one ha snever done that.



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Posted 24 March 2016 - 22:49

Thanks to ac12 and Berrelleza for their replies. I don't think this has anything to do with the ink. I have been using the same ink from the beginning and got through about 30ml worth without any problems. Berrelleza's suggestion sounds more plausible. I will need to research how to disassemble the pen as I've not done that before and would worry that I break it. Any more suggestions gratefully received.






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