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Which Sheaffer Model Is This? What Should I Look Out For?

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#1 Venemo

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 09:21

Hi Everyone!

 

I've always wanted one of these beautiful Sheaffers and I've recently found one on a local website. I'm going to meet the seller next week and check out the pen and if it's OK then I'll buy it. :)

 

The seller says it's an old and worn Sheaffer, but doesn't specify which model it is. I also don't have any experience with Sheaffer whatsoever so I thought it'd be the wisest thing to come here and ask you what I should look out for.

 

The link appears to be down :( , but I managed to look around and I have the impression that it's a Sheaffer Targa because it looks like this. What should I be aware of, when I check it out personally?

 

Thanks in advance for your answers! :)

 

EDIT: Seems that the link is down, so I edited my question


Edited by Venemo, 27 June 2015 - 10:29.


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 14:08

Targa came in two models, regular and slim.  Cartridges for the slim are no longer made and converters hard to come by.


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 14:17

Hi Everyone!
 
I've always wanted one of these beautiful Sheaffers and I've recently found one on a local website. I'm going to meet the seller next week and check out the pen and if it's OK then I'll buy it. :)
 
The seller says it's an old and worn Sheaffer, but doesn't specify which model it is. I also don't have any experience with Sheaffer whatsoever so I thought it'd be the wisest thing to come here and ask you what I should look out for.
 
The link appears to be down :( , but I managed to look around and I have the impression that it's a Sheaffer Targa because it looks like this. What should I be aware of, when I check it out personally?
 
Thanks in advance for your answers! :)
 
EDIT: Seems that the link is down, so I edited my question



If it looks like the one in the link it is a standard size Sheaffer Targa. Targa came both with steel nibs and 14k gold nibs. And that makes a huge difference in price. Also see if the pen has its original squeeze converter with it. Nib size also makes difference in price. However , that seems to be a personal choice. Best luck.
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Posted 28 June 2015 - 15:15

Thanks!

 

I've got the pen this afternoon. I gave it a dip test and it seems to be working fine, although the rubber in the squeeze converter broke when I tried to squeeze it. The plating on the barrel is indeed slightly worn, but it doesn't look too bad and the pen has a 14ct gold nib. I also got a small red leather pouch with it. All that for ~30 USD.

 

The pen is now enjoying some well-deserved soaking but pictures are coming soon! :)

 

How do I tell if it's the slimline model or not?

Is it possible to re-sac the squeeze converter?



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Posted 28 June 2015 - 15:39

Thanks!
 
I've got the pen this afternoon. I gave it a dip test and it seems to be working fine, although the rubber in the squeeze converter broke when I tried to squeeze it. The plating on the barrel is indeed slightly worn, but it doesn't look too bad and the pen has a 14ct gold nib. I also got a small red leather pouch with it. All that for ~30 USD.
 
The pen is now enjoying some well-deserved soaking but pictures are coming soon! :)
 
How do I tell if it's the slimline model or not?
Is it possible to re-sac the squeeze converter?


Yes , consult some old pen repair shop and they would replace the sac for you. I personally do the re-sacing myself as I have a good supply of the sacs in different sizes. The slim Targa is just slim. Standard size Targa is almost the size of Imperials. See here in the third picture for standard size Targas:

http://www.fountainp...ue-store-finds/


And here is the slim Targa :


Edited by mitto, 28 June 2015 - 15:49.

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Posted 28 June 2015 - 15:55

Yes , consult some old pen repair shop and they would replace the sac for you. I personally do the re-sacing myself as I have a good supply of the sacs in different sizes.

 

After applying some heat I was able to remove the black 'cap' at the end of the converter and then with the point of knife I could remove the old sac piece-by-piece. I have some new Parker 51 aerometric sacs (made of "pli-glass") from the time I fixed my 51, and it seems that one those could be a good fit for this converter as well. :)

 

What do you think?

 

 

The slim Targa is just slim. Standard size Targa is almost the size of Imperials. See here in the third picture for standard size Targas:

http://www.fountainp...ue-store-finds/

 

Wow, what a nice collection!

My pen looks identical to the second one from the right, on this picture:

http://www.fountainp...-1435470594.jpg

 

The thing is, this is the first Sheaffer that I own so I can't compare with an Imperial, but I can tell you that the diameter of the barrel (where it screws off) is 11mm. Doesn't feel very slim to me.


Edited by Venemo, 28 June 2015 - 15:57.


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Posted 28 June 2015 - 16:04

Venemo , that is not my entire collection. These are just one time purchase from a single seller. My collection is pretty huge. Especially of parkers and Sheaffers. And , yes, the 51 sac could be a good fit.

Enjoy your pen.

Edited by mitto, 28 June 2015 - 16:08.

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Posted 28 June 2015 - 16:09

Venemo , that is not my entire collection. These are just one time purchase from a single seller. My collection is pretty huge. Especially of parkers and Sheaffers. And , yes, the 51 sac could be a good fit.

Enjoy your pen.

 

I didn't assume it was your entire collection, but it's a nice set regardless. :) No offence meant!



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Posted 28 June 2015 - 16:22

I didn't assume it was your entire collection, but it's a nice set regardless. :) No offence meant!


Venemo , you are welcome. I am sorry if in case I may have hurt your feelings. Sorry again.
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Posted 28 June 2015 - 16:59

Venemo , you are welcome. I am sorry if in case I may have hurt your feelings. Sorry again.

 

Nah, don't worry you didn't.



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Posted 28 June 2015 - 17:05

After all, the Parker 51 sac does fit the Sheaffer Targa's squeeze converter. Just don't forget to cut a few millimeters from the end otherwise you're going to have trouble putting it in. Other than that it was a pretty staightforward thing to do.

 

Here is the pen disassembled (with the re-sacced converter):

20150628_003.jpg

 

And a small writing sample

20150628_005.jpg

 

The nib is between an F and an M and feels very smooth. I filled with Pelikan Brilliant Black and it writes without any issue.

Overall, I think it was a good bargain. :)



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Posted 28 June 2015 - 17:48

After all, the Parker 51 sac does fit the Sheaffer Targa's squeeze converter. Just don't forget to cut a few millimeters from the end otherwise you're going to have trouble putting it in. Other than that it was a pretty staightforward thing to do.
 
Here is the pen disassembled (with the re-sacced converter):
attachicon.gif20150628_003.jpg
 
And a small writing sample
attachicon.gif20150628_005.jpg
 
The nib is between an F and an M and feels very smooth. I filled with Pelikan Brilliant Black and it writes without any issue.
Overall, I think it was a good bargain. :)



The nib in this finish Targa should normally be 23k gold electroplated as the pen body too is 23k gold electroplated. But who knows. By the way how much did you pay for it?
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Posted 28 June 2015 - 18:07

The nib in this finish Targa should normally be 23k gold electroplated as the pen body too is 23k gold electroplated. But who knows. By the way how much did you pay for it?

 

I paid the equivalent of ~30 USD for it (in local currency), including a red Sheaffer pouch. Well, the Targa website claims that this finish goes with a 14k nib ― but, I'm not an expert.


Edited by Venemo, 28 June 2015 - 21:23.


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Posted 28 June 2015 - 19:21

The nib in this finish Targa should normally be 23k gold electroplated as the pen body too is 23k gold electroplated. But who knows. By the way how much did you pay for it?

 

The nib should be 14K and not plated for that model.  The body and furniture are 23K plated but the nibs were steel or gold and none plated that I remember.


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Posted 28 June 2015 - 22:24

The nib should be 14K and not plated for that model.  The body and furniture are 23K plated but the nibs were steel or gold and none plated that I remember.


Thank you Jar. But I have still doubts. I would check and come back to you.
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Posted 30 June 2015 - 00:58

The nib should be 14K and not plated for that model.  The body and furniture are 23K plated but the nibs were steel or gold and none plated that I remember.

See here , Jar and comment :

It is 23k gold electroplated nib on this finish and not 14k gold. At least it is so on the example I own.
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Posted 30 June 2015 - 01:04

After all, the Parker 51 sac does fit the Sheaffer Targa's squeeze converter. Just don't forget to cut a few millimeters from the end otherwise you're going to have trouble putting it in. Other than that it was a pretty staightforward thing to do.
 
Here is the pen disassembled (with the re-sacced converter):
attachicon.gif20150628_003.jpg
 
And a small writing sample
attachicon.gif20150628_005.jpg
 
The nib is between an F and an M and feels very smooth. I filled with Pelikan Brilliant Black and it writes without any issue.
Overall, I think it was a good bargain. :)


Venemo , can you post a picture with focus on the writing on the nib of your pen?

Edited by mitto, 30 June 2015 - 01:06.

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 01:15

See here , Jar and comment :attachicon.gif20150630_053725_LLS-1.jpgattachicon.gif20150630_054006_LLS-1.jpg

It is 23k gold electroplated nib on this finish and not 14k gold. At least it is so on the example I own.

 

Very interesting, Can you show the cap top?


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Very interesting, Can you show the cap top?


Yes. Here it is :
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Posted 30 June 2015 - 12:41

Okay.  That may explain it.

 

Sheaffer did make a pen in that body style with a 23K plated nib BUT it should have an opal on the top.  The nib and section either came from one of the few models that used that nib or the opal came off your pen.

 

From Sheaffer Targa dot Com

 

The regular fluted gold plate Targa should have a 14K nib.


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