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Salmon (Lachs) - De Atramentis

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#1 visvamitra

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Posted 24 May 2015 - 16:37

De Atramentis is german manufacturer of calligraphy and writing ink. The inks are hand made (the entire production process is done manually in their manufacturing center) by i's founder - Dr. Franz-Josef Jensen. I believe he uses high quality dyes from well established European companies like BASF and Bayer. 

 

De Atramentis offers a variety of "traditional" fountain pen inks and a broad selection of special and scented inks. I believe they should get more attention as the quality od these fluids is very good and some colors are simply stunning.

 

Lachs (Salmon) is rather boring ink with average flow and rather weak saturation. It's not really bad but there's just so many interesting inks on the market that you can skip this one.

 

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#2 Barkingpig

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Posted 24 May 2015 - 20:32

Actually after seeing an example of this ink from Halloween HJB I ordered a bottle & am actually enjoying it.  It is in the new Brass Kaweco with it's BB nib & is rather enjoyable with it's tendency to retain color after drying.  I also confess to enjoying it's most appropriate name in spite of the fact that I HATE the fish it is names for.  But that doesn't mean I dislike the color of a salmon just it's taste & texture.  Almost all the oranges I have used seem to develop the "brown" tone after drying & this is a nice true color even if not "searing" in intensity.  I think I will think of it as a nice "summer" color & appreciate it for the merits it has shown me.  It sort of fills a niche of inks I am discovering that do not have to be screamers but subtle in hue.



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Posted 25 May 2015 - 00:23

Thank you for this. I had this on my "ink to buy" list because the tiny picture I saw of it was intriguing, but now I see that, although it looks really exactly like salmon, it's just not really that interesting. I wouldn't mind a sample of it to try, but I'm not gonna jump in and buy a full bottle!



#4 visvamitra

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 07:18

Well - I guess wet BB nib can give it second, much more interesting life :)



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Posted 31 May 2015 - 06:11

Actually after seeing an example of this ink from Halloween HJB I ordered a bottle & am actually enjoying it.  It is in the new Brass Kaweco with it's BB nib & is rather enjoyable with it's tendency to retain color after drying.  I also confess to enjoying it's most appropriate name in spite of the fact that I HATE the fish it is names for.  But that doesn't mean I dislike the color of a salmon just it's taste & texture.  Almost all the oranges I have used seem to develop the "brown" tone after drying & this is a nice true color even if not "searing" in intensity.  I think I will think of it as a nice "summer" color & appreciate it for the merits it has shown me.  It sort of fills a niche of inks I am discovering that do not have to be screamers but subtle in hue.

 

BarkingPig, I'm with you, this ink isn't Salmon, but Halloween makes it look yummy.


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Posted 01 June 2015 - 02:54

 

BarkingPig, I'm with you, this ink isn't Salmon, but Halloween makes it look yummy.

I will be the FIRST to admit that having seen the ink for the first time USED by Halloween may have influenced my opinion to order & hence use the ink myself.  His talent with a pen certainly goes a LONG way!  I am sure I wouldn't get excited if I saw it used in an extra fine nib.


Edited by Barkingpig, 01 June 2015 - 02:55.


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Posted 04 June 2015 - 15:09

 

BarkingPig, I'm with you, this ink isn't Salmon, but Halloween makes it look yummy.

 

I have seen salmon that are this color. Unfortunately, I can't show it to you, because I ate it. Ummmmmm!


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Posted 06 June 2015 - 20:46

Most certainly there are inks for wet writers and medium/broad nibs, and there are inks for fine nibs in dry writers.  Right?  The Lachs/Salmon is definitely too light, as visvamitra notes, for fine nibs.    ;)



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Posted 09 June 2015 - 00:50

 

I have seen salmon that are this color. Unfortunately, I can't show it to you, because I ate it. Ummmmmm!

 

 

Come to think of it, the salmon I ate in Canada was this color and I can't show it to you either.  Maybe we should go from casino to casino and sample the salmon?


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Posted 05 June 2020 - 15:55

1) I like the idea of coral/flamingo/salmon colored inks - the borderland between pink and orange is a luminous and interesting one. I also like my writing inks "subdued", so trying to find the balance between luminous and subdued is not easy. I took a punt on De Atramentis' Salmon (also available as "Lachs"), but although I like the hue, found it to be too bright and watery for practical use. Monteverde were giving out "Coral" at the LA Pen Show in `19, which was a nice change after years of Malibu Blue, but the drawbacks were similar.
2) Earlier this year, as part of a larger order, I threw in a few samples of De Atramentis' Brown and Gold inks. One of these was Yellow Ochre, which doesn't sound so interesting but I guess I threw it in because I like their Khaki so much. I was quite surprised then to find it was a gorgeous pink sandstone color - kind of like Herbin's Rouille D'Ancre but with the bubblegum removed. The sample disappeared in a day or two and I posted many images on here as to how I had found my perfect Rouille D'Ancre substitute. Which is rather embarrassing in retrospect because . . .
3) When I ordered, toot sweets, a full bottle of Yellow Ochre, it turned out to be . . . . exactly what you would expect from an ink with that name - a rather nice but unsurprising sandstone.
Thankfully there was a solution to having my new favorite ink snatched away from me - I started adding quantities of Salmon to a base of Yellow Ochre and found that, at about a 50:50 ratio I was somewhere close to that unrepeatable sample, a kind of "Bryce Canyon" (look it up - stunning!) pink limestone, or possibly stewed rhubarb (yum!), but anyway an orange-pink that was also earthy and subdued enough for everyday writing.
Bit of a long story, worth sharing in case there is anyone else looking for an orange-pink that is subdued rather than retina-searing?

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Posted 05 June 2020 - 17:24

1)
Thankfully there was a solution to having my new favorite ink snatched away from me - I started adding quantities of Salmon to a base of Yellow Ochre and found that, at about a 50:50 ratio I was somewhere close to that unrepeatable sample, a kind of "Bryce Canyon" (look it up - stunning!) pink limestone, or possibly stewed rhubarb (yum!), but anyway an orange-pink that was also earthy and subdued enough for everyday writing.
Bit of a long story, worth sharing in case there is anyone else looking for an orange-pink that is subdued rather than retina-searing?


Any pictures?

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Posted 06 June 2020 - 23:05

Any pictures?

- but of Course!

Here's the original (gorgeous) sample from VanNess (alongside Bahama Brown):

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Here's a couple of the mix and it's sources:

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Disclaimer: In the above image the ochre (sample) is in a fountain pen whilst the rest is dip, which tends to be much wetter and more saturated. All the other images are all fp (& brush) only..

And here's the 50:50 in action (again with Bahama Brown):

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Posted 06 June 2020 - 23:36

The shading of both the Ochre and the Hybrid cover a good bit of the colors one sees at Bryce.  Monteverde Canyon Rust would complete the darker pink/orange brown shades.  Thanks for showing these and for experimenting- I have a small sample of Lachs, and will need to locate some of the Ochre to play with so I can put the Lachs to some use.



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Posted 26 June 2020 - 12:37

Unfortunately the mix was unstable . No problems in the pen but once the converter ran low and I went back to the bottle of 50:50 - well, who'd have guessed that by mixing an orange/pink with an ocher you'd end up with green. My Salmon seems to have got sick in the process, so I'm pressing on with adding a few drops of Monteverde Coral (which is much more robust a color) to my ocher base, but all a bit disheartening.
Slightly diluting Diamine Terracotta brings out its pink side for a "flower pot pink"! Tinker, tinker!

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 00:24

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