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This pen is an English Waterman's -- black celluloid flattop, no model number on cap or barrel, chrome clip with Waterman's engraved in clip, single gold cap ring. Imprint on barrel Waterman's Fountain Pen top and bottom, Made in England in the center. 4 13/16" (12.2 cm) long capped, 4 17/32" (11.5 cm) long uncapped. Nib (not yet restored...) engraved: Waterman's Ideal England 2B.

 

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I don't have the authoritative Waterman's book yet...need some help please? Model and year range?

 

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Tim

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I'm beginning to think it's a #3, circa early 1930's? And, if that's correct, then is it BHR or celluloid? I now have 3-4 pics of 3's that are close but not a perfect match.

 

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I'd say No. 3 as well, looking at catalogue images from 1936 and '37; the US sources show the more familiar lever-box, but I've seen several Canadian and UK pens with the sort of rig yours has and I don't believe it affects the identification. I also think those were all celluloid; when in doubt, rubbing the tail of the pen briskly on you palm should reveal the truth, as a rubber pen will make your hand smell of rubber.

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Ernst, I think it's been id'd as a Thorobred, a '30's derivative of a 3. A search of Thorobred images turned up an exact match. I don't have your catalogs -- is there a Thorobred in there? thanks!

 

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The Thorobred should have the name on the bottom (but the No. 3 should have a number, so it's hardly a definitive absence). I lean towards the earlier model for a couple of reasons. But let me share what I'm looking at:

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There's a little bit more taper on the top of the cap on the Thorobred, and a bit of a dome as well, and I believe that a window in the section is something the No. 3 never had. I'm always open to correction where Watermans are concerned, though, and the window can get pretty darned dark:

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Ernst -- VERY interesting, and thank you! Mine looks very much like yours in the bottom picture, although the flat top is a bit less rounded than yours -- not as flat as a Sheaffer flattop, but flatter than yours. I would actually doubt your knowledge less and consider Waterman's many variations on a theme more -- Thorobreds may be a family of similar styles over a few years, or a pen line each year with subtle changes over time. It's also a little hard to tell from the catalog pictures, since those are illustrations, not photographs.

 

The Thorobred is growing on me; haven't decided whether to keep it or move it on. I'm going to use it with on a partial fill next week, since my Stalwart just ran dry here at work today halfway through my batch of checks. I was unsure about the Stalwart, too, even listed it here for a bit, but luckily for me it didn't sell and then it grabbed a place in my collection.

 

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Tim

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