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#1 Force

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 09:47

Capped/uncapped grams (converter installed where applicable)

 

#52 16/11

Executive 24/16

Carene 34/24

Preface 24/15

Man 100 36/27

Edson 44/23

Phileas 24/17

Laureat 26/19



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Posted 29 April 2015 - 12:29

I'm late to say thank you, Force!

 

 

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Posted 02 May 2015 - 20:01

I'd be interested to know how the Man 200 compares with the Man 100.


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Posted 02 May 2015 - 20:16

I no longer have a 200 so if someone can chip in.

 

The list is for all to add to. If and when you do, copy and paste my list into your post and add to it. That way we can still see them all together.


Edited by Force, 02 May 2015 - 20:17.


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Posted 02 May 2015 - 23:12

I love how experienced (with Waterman) and active you are, Force. I really appreciate how you share your knowledge and experience with everybody. While I haven't been here for long, I already feel you're the gem of the Waterman section.

But after all, 150 Phileas Pens, a couple thousand 52s, thirteen Edsons and 25 Exclusive sections will give you some experience!

Thanks for being here!

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Posted 03 May 2015 - 06:12

#52 16/11

W5 15/9

512V 12/7

Executive 24/16

Exclusive 29/18

Carene 34/24

Preface 24/15

Man 100 36/27

Edson 44/23

Phileas 24/17

Laureat 26/19

L'etalon Silver 39/24

L'etalon Lacquer 39/25

Centurion 21/13

Gentleman 33/21


Edited by Force, 03 May 2015 - 06:19.


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Posted 03 May 2015 - 08:31

Thanks, Force.

You mentioned these weights are including converter. Is that empty or filled?

 

 

And perhaps you could make a table out of this, with also room for other measurements, like length capped/uncapped/posted and width?

That would make this topic one to pin to the top!

 

 

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Posted 03 May 2015 - 08:44

Thanks, Force.

You mentioned these weights are including converter. Is that empty or filled?

 

 

And perhaps you could make a table out of this, with also room for other measurements, like length capped/uncapped/posted and width?

That would make this topic one to pin to the top!

 

 

D.ick

The converters are empty.

 

That sounds a very good idea and to be the author of a pinned topic :bunny01: ....I will set about it now. Would you be able to change the title to Waterman Weights and Measures.



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Posted 03 May 2015 - 08:48

Your wish is my command....

 

 

Done

 

 

 

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Posted 03 May 2015 - 09:30

Capped/uncapped grams (ink sac installed where applicable)

 

Waterman's Ideal 0512 10.36/7.80
Waterman's Ideal 42 1/2 V 8.10/6.48
Waterman's Ideal 12 1/2 V.S. BABY with two narrow 18k gold bands 9.76/7.24
Waterman's Ideal 12 S.G.M. with two chased gold-filled bands 13.02/10.76
Waterman's Ideal 42 with continental 14k gold full overlay 20.78/13.77
Waterman's Ideal 42 with Italian Kosca 18k gold full overlay 32.40/21.76
Waterman's Ideal 452 1/2 V 12.96/7.74
Waterman's Ideal 52 in Ripple Red 14.28/10.45
Waterman's Ideal 52 with English 18k gold F.D.W. full overlay 30.42/16.21
Waterman's Ideal 24 G.M. with two chased gold-filled bands 7.23/5.57

Waterman's Ideal 44 with Austrian 14k gold jewelers full overlay 30.80/????
Waterman's Ideal 46 23.00/19.20
 


Edited by Cepasaccus, 03 May 2015 - 09:33.


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Posted 03 May 2015 - 09:46

ohhh, I was taking the weights to the nearest gram i.e. up to 0.5 take the lowest, over, take the highest.

 

I still think the last post (with data) should contain ALL the model pen data otherwise one has to troll through looking for a specific pen. It's OK at the moment with one page but when it gets to multiple pages it could be a pain. 

 

What are your thought on this D.ick.



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Posted 03 May 2015 - 11:23

Once it gets too big we'll make a new topic with all the compiled data in the top post. I'll ask you to supply a blanc post then so you can have the honours.

 

And I think Sepasaccus was waiting for you to make that table.

 

Then his list can be encapsulated there.

 

 

And as it is I am happy with all data.

 

It would be my wish to ultimately also add small pics of the sections and pen for easy determination. However I have not yet a clear idea of how to do that. Perhaps a big list of the pens and measurements, with a link to separate posts about each model. But perhaps that should be in the pen-reviews section and not here. It will have to ferment in my brain for a while. May take some time. (whisky needs at least 3 yrs, and good whisky much linger... :D )

 

 

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 12:57

Weight (grams) capped/uncapped.

Measurement (mm) capped/uncapped/posted

(empty converter installed where applicable)

(ink sac installed where applicable)

UOS, consider the modern pens to be lacquer or plastic finish.

 

Waterman's Ideal 0512 10.36/7.80
Waterman's Ideal 42 1/2 V 8.10/6.48
Waterman's Ideal 12 1/2 V.S. BABY with two narrow 18k gold bands 9.76/7.24
Waterman's Ideal 12 S.G.M. with two chased gold-filled bands 13.02/10.76
Waterman's Ideal 42 with continental 14k gold full overlay 20.78/13.77
Waterman's Ideal 42 with Italian Kosca 18k gold full overlay 32.40/21.76
Waterman's Ideal 452 1/2 V 12.96/7.74
Waterman's Ideal 52 in Ripple Red 14.28/10.45
Waterman's Ideal 52 with English 18k gold F.D.W. full overlay 30.42/16.21
Waterman's Ideal 24 G.M. with two chased gold-filled bands 7.23/5.57

Waterman's Ideal 44 with Austrian 14k gold jewelers full overlay 30.80/????
Waterman's Ideal 46 23.00/19.20

 

#52 Red Ripple (one gold collar on cap) 16/11, 137/130/172

W5 15/9, 127/118/150

512V 12/7, 109/100/132

Executive 24/16, 140/120/156

Exclusive 29/18, 142/121/159

Carene 34/24, 144/128/148

Preface 24/15, 134/122/149

Man 100 36/27, 144/133/170

Edson (Red Ruby) 44/23, waiting return from NR

Phileas 24/17, 135/127/148

Laureat (V1) 26/19, 130/124/152

Laureat (V2) 26/19, 132/123/152

L'etalon Silver 39/24, 140/126/152

L'etalon 39/25, 140/126/152

Centurion 21/13, 138/124/165

Gentleman 33/21, 141/125/159

 

We must appreciate there may be differences in weights and measures more so on earlier pens which may have additional hardware (cap and barrel rings) and possible worn threads and barrel diameters.


Edited by Force, 04 May 2015 - 13:15.


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Posted 08 May 2015 - 20:43

Weight (grams) capped/uncapped.

Measurement (mm) capped/uncapped/posted

(empty converter installed where applicable)

(ink sac installed where applicable)

UOS, consider the modern pens to be lacquer or plastic finish.

 

Waterman's Ideal 0512 10.36/7.80, 133/122/171
Waterman's Ideal 42 1/2 V 8.10/6.48, 89/95/115
Waterman's Ideal 12 1/2 V.S. BABY with two narrow 18k gold bands 9.76/7.24, 94/
95/123
Waterman's Ideal 12 S.G.M. with two chased gold-filled bands 13.02/10.76, 126/1
33/148
Waterman's Ideal 42 12.42/10.07, 120/122/149
Waterman's Ideal 42 with continental 14k gold full overlay 20.78/13.77, 126/121
156
Waterman's Ideal 42 with Italian Waterman/Kosca 18k gold full overlay 32.40/21.76, 129/1
24/161
Waterman's Ideal 452 1/2 V 12.96/7.74, 95/87/127
Waterman's Ideal 52 1/2 V with English 9k gold F.D.W. full overlay and ring 14.39/8.14, 96/87/127
Waterman's Ideal 52V with clip 11.47/7.13, 111/105/143
Waterman's Ideal 12 PSF 12.57/9.26, 135/130/168
Waterman's Ideal 52 with clip 13.66/9.19, 137/131/168
Waterman's Ideal 52 in Ripple Red 14.28/10.45, 137/132/171
Waterman's Ideal 52 with English 18k gold F.D.W. full overlay and ring 30.42/16.21, 127/116/163
Waterman's Ideal 24 G.M. with two chased gold-filled bands 7.23/5.57, 145/113/1
72
Waterman's Ideal 44 with Austrian 14k gold jewelers full overlay 30.80/????, 130/131/---
Waterman's Ideal 45 17.07/14.17, 136/138/165
Waterman's Ideal 645 with clip and two wide gold bands 17.36/14.06, 135/141/168
Waterman's Ideal 46 23.00/19.20, 143/148/175

 

#52 Red Ripple (one gold collar on cap) 16/11, 137/130/172

W5 15/9, 127/118/150

512V 12/7, 109/100/132

Executive 24/16, 140/120/156

Exclusive 29/18, 142/121/159

Carene 34/24, 144/128/148

Preface 24/15, 134/122/149

Man 100 36/27, 144/133/170

Edson (Red Ruby) 44/23, waiting return from NR

Phileas 24/17, 135/127/148

Laureat (V1) 26/19, 130/124/152

Laureat (V2) 26/19, 132/123/152

L'etalon Silver 39/24, 140/126/152

L'etalon 39/25, 140/126/152

Centurion 21/13, 138/124/165

Gentleman 33/21, 141/125/159

 

We must appreciate there may be differences in weights and measures more so on earlier pens which may have additional hardware (cap and barrel rings) and possible worn threads and barrel diameters.

 

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UOS?

My remaining Waterman's pens and missing dimensions added.

 

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 16:22

Weight (grams) capped/uncapped.

Measurement (mm) capped/uncapped/posted

(empty converter installed where applicable)

(ink sac installed where applicable)

Unless otherwise stated (UOS), consider the modern pens to be lacquer or plastic finish.

 

Waterman's Ideal 0512 10.36/7.80, 133/122/171
Waterman's Ideal 42 1/2 V 8.10/6.48, 89/95/115
Waterman's Ideal 12 1/2 V.S. BABY with two narrow 18k gold bands 9.76/7.24, 94/
95/123
Waterman's Ideal 12 S.G.M. with two chased gold-filled bands 13.02/10.76, 126/1
33/148
Waterman's Ideal 42 12.42/10.07, 120/122/149
Waterman's Ideal 42 with continental 14k gold full overlay 20.78/13.77, 126/121
156
Waterman's Ideal 42 with Italian Waterman/Kosca 18k gold full overlay 32.40/21.76, 129/1
24/161
Waterman's Ideal 452 1/2 V 12.96/7.74, 95/87/127
Waterman's Ideal 52 1/2 V with English 9k gold F.D.W. full overlay and ring 14.39/8.14, 96/87/127
Waterman's Ideal 52V with clip 11.47/7.13, 111/105/143
Waterman's Ideal 12 PSF 12.57/9.26, 135/130/168
Waterman's Ideal 52 with clip 13.66/9.19, 137/131/168
Waterman's Ideal 52 in Ripple Red 14.28/10.45, 137/132/171
Waterman's Ideal 52 with English 18k gold F.D.W. full overlay and ring 30.42/16.21, 127/116/163
Waterman's Ideal 24 G.M. with two chased gold-filled bands 7.23/5.57, 145/113/1
72
Waterman's Ideal 44 with Austrian 14k gold jewelers full overlay 30.80/????, 130/131/---
Waterman's Ideal 45 17.07/14.17, 136/138/165
Waterman's Ideal 645 with clip and two wide gold bands 17.36/14.06, 135/141/168
Waterman's Ideal 46 23.00/19.20, 143/148/175

 

#52 Red Ripple (one gold collar on cap) 16/11, 137/130/172

W5 15/9, 127/118/150

512V 12/7, 109/100/132

Executive 24/16, 140/120/156

Exclusive 29/18, 142/121/159

Carene 34/24, 144/128/148

Preface 24/15, 134/122/149

Man 100 36/27, 144/133/170

Edson (Red Ruby) 44/23, 151/131/155

Phileas 24/17, 135/127/148

Laureat (V1) 26/19, 130/124/152

Laureat (V2) 26/19, 132/123/152

L'etalon Silver 39/24, 140/126/152

L'etalon 39/25, 140/126/152

Centurion 21/13, 138/124/165

Gentleman 33/21, 141/125/159

 

We must appreciate there may be differences in weights and measures more so on earlier pens which may have additional hardware (cap and barrel rings) and possible worn threads and barrel diameters.



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Posted 17 July 2015 - 02:57

Excellent reference info.....

 

One measurement missing that would be very helpful to me is the barrel diameter. If that can be added it would be great!

 

Thanks,

 

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Posted 17 July 2015 - 09:58

Weight (grams) capped/uncapped.

Measurement (mm) capped/uncapped/posted/barrel diameter

(empty converter installed where applicable)

(ink sac installed where applicable)

Unless otherwise stated (UOS), consider the modern pens to be lacquer or plastic finish.

 

Waterman's Ideal 0512 10.36/7.80, 133/122/171/?
Waterman's Ideal 42 1/2 V 8.10/6.48, 89/95/115/10.7
Waterman's Ideal 12 1/2 V.S. BABY with two narrow 18k gold bands 9.76/7.24, 94/95/123/10.6
Waterman's Ideal 12 S.G.M. with two chased gold-filled bands 13.02/10.76, 126/133/148/11.8
Waterman's Ideal 42 12.42/10.07, 120/122/149/?
Waterman's Ideal 42 with continental 14k gold full overlay 20.78/13.77, 126/121/156/?
Waterman's Ideal 42 with Italian Waterman/Kosca 18k gold full overlay 32.40/21.76, 129/124/161/?

Waterman's Ideal 642 1/2 with two 9k gold F.D.W. bands 11.56/?, 127/?/?/10.6
Waterman's Ideal 452 1/2 V 12.96/7.74, 95/87/127/9.6
Waterman's Ideal 52 1/2 V w.r. 8.87/5.83, 114/120/146.5/9.8
Waterman's Ideal 52 1/2 V w.r. with English 9k gold F.D.W. full overlay 14.39/8.14, 96/87/127/9.7
Waterman's Ideal 52V with clip 11.47/7.13, 111/105/143/10.2
Waterman's Ideal 552 1/2 with 14k trefoil vine filigree 18.50/11.14, 135.5/129/166/10.2
Waterman's Ideal 12 PSF 12.57/9.26, 135/130/168/?
Waterman's Ideal 52 in Ripple Red 14.28/10.45, 137/132/171/11.2
Waterman's Ideal 52 w.r. with English 18k gold F.D.W. full overlay 30.42/16.21, 127/116/163/11.1

Waterman's Ideal 01852 with clip 13.66/9.19, 137/131/168/11.3
Waterman's Ideal 01852 in cardinal red with clip 17.80/12.08, 136.5/129.5/169/11.2

Waterman's Ideal 24 G.M. with two chased gold-filled bands 7.23/5.57, 145/113/172/9.2
Waterman's Ideal 44 with Austrian 14k gold jewelers full overlay 30.80/?, 130/131/-/12.5
Waterman's Ideal 45 17.07/14.17, 136/138/165/12.8
Waterman's Ideal 645 with clip and two wide gold bands 17.36/14.06, 135/141/168/?
Waterman's Ideal 46 23.00/19.20, 143/148/175/?

 

#52 Red Ripple (one gold collar on cap) 16/11, 137/130/172

W5 15/9, 127/118/150

512V 12/7, 109/100/132

Executive 24/16, 140/120/156

Exclusive 29/18, 142/121/159

Carene 34/24, 144/128/148

Preface 24/15, 134/122/149

Man 100 36/27, 144/133/170

Edson (Red Ruby) 44/23, 151/131/155

Phileas 24/17, 135/127/148

Laureat (V1) 26/19, 130/124/152

Laureat (V2) 26/19, 132/123/152

L'etalon Silver 39/24, 140/126/152

L'etalon 39/25, 140/126/152

Centurion 21/13, 138/124/165

Gentleman 33/21, 141/125/159

 

We must appreciate there may be differences in weights and measures more so on earlier pens which may have additional hardware (cap and barrel rings) and possible worn threads and barrel diameters.


Edited by Cepasaccus, 17 July 2015 - 10:01.


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Posted 19 July 2015 - 22:30

Weight (grams) capped/uncapped.
Measurement (mm) capped/uncapped/posted/barrel diameter
(empty converter installed where applicable)
(ink sac installed where applicable)
Unless otherwise stated (UOS), consider the modern pens to be lacquer or plastic finish.
 
Waterman's Ideal 0512 10.36/7.80, 133/122/171/?
Waterman's Ideal 42 1/2 V 8.10/6.48, 89/95/115/10.7
Waterman's Ideal 12 1/2 V.S. BABY with two narrow 18k gold bands 9.76/7.24, 94/95/123/10.6
Waterman's Ideal 12 S.G.M. with two chased gold-filled bands 13.02/10.76, 126/133/148/11.8
Waterman's Ideal 42 12.42/10.07, 120/122/149/?
Waterman's Ideal 42 with continental 14k gold full overlay 20.78/13.77, 126/121/156/12.3
Waterman's Ideal 42 with Italian Waterman/Kosca 18k gold full overlay 32.40/21.76, 129/124/161/?
Waterman's Ideal 642 1/2 with two 9k gold F.D.W. bands 11.56/?, 127/?/?/10.6
Waterman's Ideal 452 1/2 V 12.96/7.74, 95/87/127/9.6
Waterman's Ideal 52 1/2 V w.r. 8.87/5.83, 114/120/146.5/9.8
Waterman's Ideal 52 1/2 V w.r. with English 9k gold F.D.W. full overlay 14.39/8.14, 96/87/127/9.7
Waterman's Ideal 52V with clip 11.47/7.13, 111/105/143/10.2
Waterman's Ideal 552 1/2 with 14k trefoil vine filigree 18.50/11.14, 135.5/129/166/10.2
Waterman's Ideal 12 PSF 12.57/9.26, 135/130/168/?
Waterman's Ideal 52 in Ripple Red 14.28/10.45, 137/132/171/11.2
Waterman's Ideal 52 w.r. with English 18k gold F.D.W. full overlay 30.42/16.21, 127/116/163/11.1
Waterman's Ideal 01852 with clip 13.66/9.19, 137/131/168/11.3
Waterman's Ideal 01852 in cardinal red with clip 17.80/12.08, 136.5/129.5/169/11.2
Waterman's Ideal 24 G.M. with two chased gold-filled bands 7.23/5.57, 145/113/172/9.2
Waterman's Ideal 44 with Austrian 14k gold jewelers full overlay 30.80/?, 130/131/-/12.5
Waterman's Ideal 45 17.07/14.17, 136/138/165/12.8
Waterman's Ideal 645 with clip and two wide gold bands 17.36/14.06, 135/141/168/?
Waterman's Ideal 46 23.00/19.20, 143/148/175/14.2
 
#52 Red Ripple (one gold collar on cap) 16/11, 137/130/172
W5 15/9, 127/118/150
512V 12/7, 109/100/132
Executive 24/16, 140/120/156
Exclusive 29/18, 142/121/159
Carene 34/24, 144/128/148
Preface 24/15, 134/122/149
Man 100 36/27, 144/133/170
Edson (Red Ruby) 44/23, 151/131/155
Phileas 24/17, 135/127/148
Laureat (V1) 26/19, 130/124/152
Laureat (V2) 26/19, 132/123/152
L'etalon Silver 39/24, 140/126/152
L'etalon 39/25, 140/126/152
Centurion 21/13, 138/124/165
Gentleman 33/21, 141/125/159
 
We must appreciate there may be differences in weights and measures more so on earlier pens which may have additional hardware (cap and barrel rings) and possible worn threads and barrel diameters.

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 20:31

Weight (grams) capped/uncapped.
Measurement (mm) capped/uncapped/posted/barrel diameter
(empty converter installed where applicable)
(ink sac installed where applicable)
Unless otherwise stated (UOS), consider the modern pens to be lacquer or plastic finish.
 
Waterman's Ideal 0512 10.36/7.80, 133/122/171/?
Waterman's Ideal 42 1/2 V 8.10/6.48, 89/95/115/10.7
Waterman's Ideal 12 1/2 V.S. BABY with two narrow 18k gold bands 9.76/7.24, 94/95/123/10.6
Waterman's Ideal 12 S.G.M. with two chased gold-filled bands 13.02/10.76, 126/133/148/11.8
Waterman's Ideal 42 12.42/10.07, 120/122/149/11.7
Waterman's Ideal 42 with continental 14k gold full overlay 20.78/13.77, 126/121/156/12.3
Waterman's Ideal 42 with Italian Waterman/Kosca 18k gold full overlay 32.40/21.76, 129/124/161/12.7
Waterman's Ideal 642 1/2 with two 9k gold F.D.W. bands 11.56/?, 127/?/?/10.6
Waterman's Ideal 452 1/2 V 12.96/7.74, 95/87/127/9.6
Waterman's Ideal 52 1/2 V w.r. 8.87/5.83, 114/120/146.5/9.8
Waterman's Ideal 52 1/2 V w.r. with English 9k gold F.D.W. full overlay 14.39/8.14, 96/87/127/9.7
Waterman's Ideal 52V with clip 11.47/7.13, 111/105/143/10.2
Waterman's Ideal 552 1/2 with 14k trefoil vine filigree 18.50/11.14, 135.5/129/166/10.2
Waterman's Ideal 12 PSF 12.57/9.26, 135/130/168/11.1
Waterman's Ideal 52 in Ripple Red 14.28/10.45, 137/132/171/11.2
Waterman's Ideal 52 w.r. with English 18k gold F.D.W. full overlay 30.42/16.21, 127/116/163/11.1
Waterman's Ideal 01852 with clip 13.66/9.19, 137/131/168/11.3
Waterman's Ideal 01852 in cardinal red with clip 17.80/12.08, 136.5/129.5/169/11.2
Waterman's Ideal 24 G.M. with two chased gold-filled bands 7.23/5.57, 145/113/172/9.2
Waterman's Ideal 14S 13.62/11.07, 129/132.5/156/11.9
Waterman's Ideal 44 with Austrian 14k gold jewelers full overlay 30.80/22.98, 130/131/-/12.5
Waterman's Ideal 45 17.07/14.17, 136/138/165/12.8
Waterman's Ideal 645 with clip and two wide gold bands 17.36/14.06, 135/141/168/12.6
Waterman's Ideal 46 23.00/19.20, 143/148/175/14.2
 
#52 Red Ripple (one gold collar on cap) 16/11, 137/130/172
W5 15/9, 127/118/150
512V 12/7, 109/100/132
Executive 24/16, 140/120/156
Exclusive 29/18, 142/121/159
Carene 34/24, 144/128/148
Preface 24/15, 134/122/149
Man 100 36/27, 144/133/170
Edson (Red Ruby) 44/23, 151/131/155
Phileas 24/17, 135/127/148
Laureat (V1) 26/19, 130/124/152
Laureat (V2) 26/19, 132/123/152
L'etalon Silver 39/24, 140/126/152
L'etalon 39/25, 140/126/152
Centurion 21/13, 138/124/165
Gentleman 33/21, 141/125/159
 
We must appreciate there may be differences in weights and measures more so on earlier pens which may have additional hardware (cap and barrel rings) and possible worn threads and barrel diameters.

Edited by Cepasaccus, 29 July 2015 - 20:36.


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Posted 29 July 2015 - 20:45

I'm wondering why the weights of these pens is important.  I can see why the length and diameter are but why also the weight?  Just curious.  Thanks


  

                                    







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