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Sending An Extraordinary Vintage Wet Noodle To Bock Nibs In Germany

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#41 Intellidepth

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 01:16

If the nib system were able to be housed in cheaper pens as well as more pricey ones, the target market widens. I don't own a Pelikan. Would like to, but there's no benefit to me with current nib offerings. With the price this nib is likely to start at (speculation) I don't believe I could justify the joint cost of Pelikan body plus nib.

However, I may be able to afford a great nib that fits in a cheap housing (my vintage pens look not so pretty but write nicely ;) ). This would allow me to buy a nice pen body for it later after saving up again.

Sachs, well done on your commitment. Once you have ascertained the initial predominant set of ideals perhaps setting up a series of voting systems regarding the characteristics of each component may help to get a quicker feel for the market? There are some specifications that I have no preference for one way or another so long as the writing experience becomes what you hope for.

Edit: tweaking Pelikan nibs in their special housings looks quite challenging. I do like an easily separate nib from feed so I can instantly adjust its characteristics for flow tweaking depending on what my use/ink for the day is.

Edited by Intellidepth, 17 March 2015 - 01:27.

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 01:41

Why not start a kickstarter on this?

Edited by prighello, 17 March 2015 - 01:41.


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 03:34

Why not start a kickstarter on this?

 

Eh, KS feels overrated at this point and time. Although I think it's very interesting idea I, too, think it'll be prohibitively expensive for most people unless we happen to convince the company that we can sell up to $50,000 worth of nibs too.

 

Anyone w/a few spare millions?  


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 08:05

I'm thinking in the region of $50,000 myself actually. That is very manageable sum. We can structure it such that everyone interested here can get the nib at cost price. One can also buy extras, which could then be sold through online vendors, and online vendors can also buy at cost price as well.

If it all works, then we can set up repeat batch manufacturing, and I don't mind ensuring quality control myself. Any spares will be sold for profit meaning those that are willing to invest may get a some return in their investment as well. If we get it right the first time round then it should be plain sailing afterwards.

Everyone's a winner..!

Just need the numbers to know how to move forward, and I'm still awaiting a reply from Waterman.

For flex sake, spread the word..!

Edited by Sach, 17 March 2015 - 10:33.


#45 fireant

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 09:29

I am lurking but interested!



#46 Ste_S

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 18:51

 

Fair enough.. What brand pens would be compatible with a Bock nib housing? I thought they were pretty universal.

 

I have a danitrio with a #6 bock nib which has a screw-in nib housing. But Danitrio is quite an exclusive brand. I don't know how widespread it has been adopted. I don't know of any other names like that.

 

Maybe Kaweco?

 

Kaweco do indeeed use Bock for all their nibs, albeit a smaller(er) nib size.

 

Visconti uses the Bock nib unit in their painter series Rembrandt, Van Gogh, Dali etc



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Posted 17 March 2015 - 19:56

Some of the TWSBI pens used Bock, but they switched to JOWO at some point for some reason.


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 15:19

@Sach  IIRC, there was an Italian FP forums who commissioned a custom color pens from one of the companies it had a semi-flexible steel nib. The total price of it was approx $400? Blue with a piston filler system. I think there is potential as we all know FPN has ordered specialised pens  before. I could cross-post to Reddit for more interest checks too. 

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 15:33

marlen aleph.

http://www.fountainp...ainpenit-aleph/

 

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 16:18

@watch_art Thanks great looking FP reminds me of my MT Swans. Although someone told me that the pen isn't exactly as semi-flex as one would believe from the description. Nevertheless it's something. 

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 17:21

 

@Sach  IIRC, there was an Italian FP forums who commissioned a custom color pens from one of the companies it had a semi-flexible steel nib. The total price of it was approx $400? Blue with a piston filler system. I think there is potential as we all know FPN has ordered specialised pens  before. I could cross-post to Reddit for more interest checks too. 

 

Hey Buddy

 

I'm sure many companies have offered semi flex offering, OMAS do, Pilot and a few others. The trouble with all of these has been the top down approach, which, in my opinion is the problem. Pen makers simply won't make a nib that will hamper them offering their standard warranties. That's why, we need to make the nib separately, and allow users to fit this onto a pen as an after market option, and base the nib on a vintage model, and prioritise its flex abilities above everything. 



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Posted 19 March 2015 - 18:16

Hey Buddy

 

I'm sure many companies have offered semi flex offering, OMAS do, Pilot and a few others. 

 

I know, right? My question is what would indicate to buyers that a new nib would surpass the efforts of Omas, Pilot and other est. pen companies who have sunk millions of dollars of R&D to for their lineup. All the prior companies have a long history of trying different approaches w/materials, finishes, and components. 


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Posted 19 March 2015 - 20:22

I know, right? My question is what would indicate to buyers that a new nib would surpass the efforts of Omas, Pilot and other est. pen companies who have sunk millions of dollars of R&D to for their lineup. All the prior companies have a long history of trying different approaches w/materials, finishes, and components.


Because they all do and must incorporate warranties with their pens. My reasoning is and always had been, that even if they could, they would not manufacture a modern wet noodle or super flex as it would be impossible to ensure education of the end user in how to use a very delicate flex nib.

As such, they choose to make soft nibs rather than true flex. Only an aftermarket nib without such a warranty could offer this nib, made based on function, and sold without a warranty covering damage from over flexing.

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 08:33

 

@watch_art Thanks great looking FP reminds me of my MT Swans. Although someone told me that the pen isn't exactly as semi-flex as one would believe from the description. Nevertheless it's something. 

 

 

The Marlen Aleph's feeds reportedly has problems keeping up with the nib when flexed, as does the Pilot Falcon.

 

Something to consider. If someone does get a flex nib made, you'll also probably want a non-standard feed to keep up with the nib,



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Posted 20 March 2015 - 11:43

or a cheap standard feed so you can get extras and modify them until you figure out what works best.  :)


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Posted 10 September 2015 - 06:22

I'm still awaiting a reply from Waterman.


Hi Sach, did you get a reply?
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Posted 26 September 2015 - 23:05

Curioser and curioser.  We may be slaves to mass manufacturing in modern times.  Bound to our own creation....



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Posted 27 September 2015 - 01:20

Bock is making soft/flexible nibs for British Bespoke and Wahl. They must have figured something out. :)

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Posted 27 September 2015 - 14:14

Bock is making soft/flexible nibs for British Bespoke and Wahl. They must have figured something out. :)


I would think that those are similar to (if not the same as) the 'extra flessible' nibs they made for Omas' Ogiva Albas.

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Posted 27 September 2015 - 19:33

Hey guys
I haven't forgotten about this project.. Just been incredibly busy in my professional life. I'll get back onto this one soon. If anyone else here wants to join in and offer a helping hand, that would be appreciated no doubt...!



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