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Diamond 580 - Anyone Fixed The Drying-Out Issue?

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#21 Bluey

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 23:17

Then do what I did.  Write to Wang and ask his advice.  At minimum, you should get a new pen.  I own 2 TWSBIs and they are fantastic pens that write beautifully -- no skips, no hard starts, no dry spells.  Because of the slip 'n seal cap, they never dry out. Your pen should not have these problems.

I have Pilots, Platinums and Sailors and I'm minimising my collection down to the very best pens. Why would I want a downgrade to a Twsbi? I've already go rid of them once.

They may have some fresh and original designs but they're not fantastic writers unless one's standards are low.

 

What slip'n'seal cap? You're confusing them with Platinums and Sailors.


Edited by Bluey, 04 March 2018 - 23:41.

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 01:54

I have Pilots, Platinums and Sailors and I'm minimising my collection down to the very best pens. Why would I want a downgrade to a Twsbi? I've already go rid of them once.

They may have some fresh and original designs but they're not fantastic writers unless one's standards are low.

 

What slip'n'seal cap? You're confusing them with Platinums and Sailors.

 

 

I guess pen snobbery on a pen site is to be expected. I have standards too.

 

I bought a few vintage many years ago, and then a Pelikan. The Eco I bought writes as well as any of them (better than the Pelikan in fact), for a fraction of the cost. Which is important to me, as I don't want to worry about accidents or loss using these at work.

 

When it comes to the subjective things like feel and aesthetics, I prefer the TWSBI. I can swap nibs without buying a whole new pen. I can do basic maintenance on it if I want, reducing costs. A Parker 51 service here cost $100 inc postage to the other side of the country.

 

My Safari provides a few niggling issues now and then, but the Pelikan was never trouble free when I bought it in 2002. Requiring Pelikan to fix it, and taking numerous and tedious attempts at doing so, until I got fed up with the process and the pen.

 

So quality has little to do with price. Reading around this site, it would seem issues plague almost every brand and price point, when you condense them in one place.



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Posted 05 March 2018 - 02:04

 

 

I guess pen snobbery on a pen site is to be expected. I have standards too.

 

I bought a few vintage many years ago, and then a Pelikan. The Eco I bought writes as well as any of them (better than the Pelikan in fact), for a fraction of the cost. Which is important to me, as I don't want to worry about accidents or loss using these at work.

 

When it comes to the subjective things like feel and aesthetics, I prefer the TWSBI. I can swap nibs without buying a whole new pen. I can do basic maintenance on it if I want, reducing costs. A Parker 51 service here cost $100 inc postage to the other side of the country.

 

My Safari provides a few niggling issues now and then, but the Pelikan was never trouble free when I bought it in 2002. Requiring Pelikan to fix it, and taking numerous and tedious attempts at doing so, until I got fed up with the process and the pen.

 

So quality has little to do with price. Reading around this site, it would seem issues plague almost every brand and price point, when you condense them in one place.

That's not pen snobbery. it's pen realism.

It would be pen snobbery if I was looking down my nose at people using Jinhaos, smoking a £500 note cigar while writing with a Pelikan or Montblanc. I'm an advocate of Chinese pens because they're great writers.

 

I'm the last person that needs to be advised that price has nowt to do with quality and performance, as I know this only too well.


Edited by Bluey, 05 March 2018 - 02:16.

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 00:03

Like eggybread and myself earlier, I spoke too soon, again.   Playing with the tines did create improvement, but just slowed the drying out process... a slow fade on the ink and now by 4 full pages of writing the skipping begins.  How often I write 4 continuous pages is a different story.  But it is the principal.  My Metropolitan goes all day.  As was mentioned, for $25 or less one has options with additional nibs.  After extensive 580 review watching and reading I'm under the impression the Broad nib is the more bullet-proof of the TWSBI nibs so may be throwing good money after bad, but the new bigger Broad nib (using an M currently) is on the way.  If this doesn't do the trick out of the box I'll be reaching out to TWSBI.  BTW, selfishly I was half-hoping my Medium nib would not solve the problem because I realized I really want to try that Broad nib (as a collector I can justify anything).


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 03:01

I'm glad my Broad nib arrived this morning, 4 days early.  I have written 8 or 9 full sheets of paper and no flow issues or ink starvation.  There have been a handful of very minor skips but I have determined this Broad nib has a sweet spot and both sides of the nib must be equidistant to the paper surface (i.e., nib can't be tilted towards or away from me) to optimize ink flow, which is a healthy flow.  Knock on wood, but now this TWSBI is acting impressively.  This is my first Broad nib and it is a nice change of pace to see ink shading, etc.... vs.  what I get from my Asian Fine nibs.

 

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Posted 31 May 2019 - 16:12

Hi Tseg,

              Have an M nib 580 and its killing me.

 

Same kind of issue, writes fine..then you notice a gradual drying...the ink not as dark coming onto the paper etc...then it gets dry enough that you feel it affect the smoothness...then a half downstroke skip or hard start.

 

Sent it back to the Shop I bought it from in the UK (with my Diamine ink still in it)....they telling me "we have been using it on and off for days with no issue", we can send it to TWSBI for you but the pen seems fine"....so got it back and its at it again.

 

Ordered a new nib and asked the place to set it up as wet and smooth it......

 

In the meantime pulled old nib , rinsed out whole pen with mix of warm water and drop of washing up liquid (dish soap) - rinsed thoroughly. Filled up with a different Diamine blue ink. Ran a razor blade down the feed, brushed with an old toothbrush and rinsed and put back together. Wow...I seem to have fixed it......for a while.....then it starts again to writer lighter etc 

 

New nib unit arrived....emptied and refilled pen....seems good.....for a while.....then gradually drier etc etc

 

Razor blade down new feed....a bit better for a while......then back to starting to get drier etc etc

 

This pen is killing me...I've a old Cross Townsend that is lovely and smooth and wet, same for a M nib VP, same an old Sheaffer Cartridge pen.....but this 580 starts out well then gradually after writing maybe 2 or more A4 pages it starts to get dry......then an odd skip or hard start

 

Sending back to TWSBI (from europe) will cost me yet more money, after already posting it back to UK shop...and buying a new nib unit....but I also "razored" the feed (so probably invalidated warranty)........is there any saving this pen ??? I'm thinking of sending to a Nibmiester like JS in the UK but is the bloody pen worth it ?????? but I really like the colour and size it......its the RBT model .

 

No wonder some people have been put off fountain pens pens for life if their only experience or FP's  behaved like this !!

 

Advise ?????

 

ER.



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Posted 15 August 2019 - 20:27

Well, this doesn't sound promising. Bought a TWSBI (honestly can't tell you what model. Impulse buy) and I'm regretting it. It's smooth. It fits my hand beautifully. I posts! 

 

And it starts drying up after about a page and I want to chunk it across the room. Eventually it dries up entirely even though it clearly has ink. I've had it a month. Don't feel I can return it because it has taken me this long to sit down and actually use it (meh, depressions sucks). 

 

So, came here, brought this rather dead thread to life. Hoped for answers. Boo. Hiss. Wah.

 

Who is Wang and how do I contact him?


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Posted 22 August 2019 - 07:07

My 580 is about a year old and doesn't dry out ever.

 

I'm convinced TWSBI just has some dud feeds. I had a VAC700R that did it. I confirmed the feed was bad by dunking the tail into some noodlers whiteness of the whale to see the ink rise in the feed via capillary action and found it hit a dead stop halfway up.

 

A quick run through with a double edge razor blade and it was solved. It actually wrote just a smidge wetter too, which was nice.

 

Phil Wang is just pulling teeth to deal with. I recommend you just run a razor blade (a proper face razor blade, not one of those scraper/carpet cutter blades) down the feed once or twice.


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Posted 29 August 2019 - 22:26

My 580 is about a year old and doesn't dry out ever.
 
I'm convinced TWSBI just has some dud feeds. I had a VAC700R that did it. I confirmed the feed was bad by dunking the tail into some noodlers whiteness of the whale to see the ink rise in the feed via capillary action and found it hit a dead stop halfway up.
 
A quick run through with a double edge razor blade and it was solved. It actually wrote just a smidge wetter too, which was nice.
 
Phil Wang is just pulling teeth to deal with. I recommend you just run a razor blade (a proper face razor blade, not one of those scraper/carpet cutter blades) down the feed once or twice.


Thank you. I'll look into it. I imagine it's no small feat to deal with a pen business.

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 08:12

So sad there isn't a cure to this disese, yet. Today I tried to use my 580 AL blue for a "longer" writing session (to these days I use it only for quick notes at work). This is the annoying result, after just 2 small pages.

I've been tempted to buy a 580 mini for a long time now, but I think I'll give up, after all. 

 

TWSBI 580 AL + Diamine Eau De Nil

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 19:53

So sad there isn't a cure to this disese, yet. Today I tried to use my 580 AL blue for a "longer" writing session (to these days I use it only for quick notes at work). This is the annoying result, after just 2 small pages.
I've been tempted to buy a 580 mini for a long time now, but I think I'll give up, after all. 
 
TWSBI 580 AL + Diamine Eau De Nil
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I'm very frustrated but I otherwise love the pen. I have relegated it to purse pen only. Quick notes.

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