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I've got some different flex nibs and I'm writing copperplate with them. But some of the nibs seem to be more sensitive and the right tine is getting slightly higher than the left one. This makes the pen skip sometimes on the light writing.

 

I'm pretty sure that it comes due to writing with a rotated pen, but what rotation would cause the right tine to spring? Too far clockwise or too far counterclockwise?

My Pens/Nibs (inked/active): Lamy Studio/Vista/Joy (XXF slight-flex custom | 14k EF | EF | F | 14k M | M | B | 14k 1.1 custom | 1.1 | 1.5 | 1.9), TWSBI Diamond 580 (F | Pendleton BadBoy | Zebra G | F.P.R. semi-flex), Pilot Falcon EF, Penkala Vintage 14k semi-flex, Pilot Parallel (2.4 | 3.8 | 6.0)

http://www.fp-ink.info/img/button.pngI'm still looking for help/data/supporters/sponsors for my Ink Database - It already contains over 900 Inks but is still low on data about the inks except on the Inks I got myself or where I found nice data sheets. So Im looking for these: InkSamples mailed to me, Permissions to use InkReviews - preferable by people who have a lot of InkReviews online, InkReviews mailed to me so I can scan them, Sponsors that will help me to finance InkSamples, People willing to trade InkSamples (list of available Inks from me is available via PM request - please include available Inks)

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Is this a dip pen or a fountain pen?

Is the pen aligned with the down stroke or is the down stroke a horizontal or diagonal stroke (from the pen's angle)?

 

If you are holding the pen in the standard "tripod" hold, and your down stroke is a diagonal stroke (from the pen's angle), I think that is the problem. The diagonal down stroke is putting too much horizontal pressure on the right tine.

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Fountain pen(s).

I'm holding the pen at the angle that the writing is slanted. So a downstroke is basically a pull on the pen, straight back along the pen axis.

My Pens/Nibs (inked/active): Lamy Studio/Vista/Joy (XXF slight-flex custom | 14k EF | EF | F | 14k M | M | B | 14k 1.1 custom | 1.1 | 1.5 | 1.9), TWSBI Diamond 580 (F | Pendleton BadBoy | Zebra G | F.P.R. semi-flex), Pilot Falcon EF, Penkala Vintage 14k semi-flex, Pilot Parallel (2.4 | 3.8 | 6.0)

http://www.fp-ink.info/img/button.pngI'm still looking for help/data/supporters/sponsors for my Ink Database - It already contains over 900 Inks but is still low on data about the inks except on the Inks I got myself or where I found nice data sheets. So Im looking for these: InkSamples mailed to me, Permissions to use InkReviews - preferable by people who have a lot of InkReviews online, InkReviews mailed to me so I can scan them, Sponsors that will help me to finance InkSamples, People willing to trade InkSamples (list of available Inks from me is available via PM request - please include available Inks)

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Re-align the nib....push down from the breather hole on the up tine.

 

Is that with all or just one...if just one...the nib could be sprung.

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No I'm getting it with all of them. It's not badly misaligned, it even writes great still. It just starts harder and the difference in the tines is visible with a loupe. Once you set it down to the paper the weight of the pen alone aligns the nib again, but on fast and light writing it's not always starting up right away.

 

Re-aligning is not an issue, but I'm afraid to damage the material if this happens too often, so I'm trying to find out what does strain the right tine more than the left one.

My Pens/Nibs (inked/active): Lamy Studio/Vista/Joy (XXF slight-flex custom | 14k EF | EF | F | 14k M | M | B | 14k 1.1 custom | 1.1 | 1.5 | 1.9), TWSBI Diamond 580 (F | Pendleton BadBoy | Zebra G | F.P.R. semi-flex), Pilot Falcon EF, Penkala Vintage 14k semi-flex, Pilot Parallel (2.4 | 3.8 | 6.0)

http://www.fp-ink.info/img/button.pngI'm still looking for help/data/supporters/sponsors for my Ink Database - It already contains over 900 Inks but is still low on data about the inks except on the Inks I got myself or where I found nice data sheets. So Im looking for these: InkSamples mailed to me, Permissions to use InkReviews - preferable by people who have a lot of InkReviews online, InkReviews mailed to me so I can scan them, Sponsors that will help me to finance InkSamples, People willing to trade InkSamples (list of available Inks from me is available via PM request - please include available Inks)

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Look at the pen when you flex the nib to spread the tines, are you rotating the pen to the right?

That would put more pressure on the right tine.

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Could be that the nibs are not really flexible and they are getting sprung. The leading tine will usually spring first.

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Interesting post. When I started writing with flex nibs the right tine was higher than the left after some writing. I do not hold the pen square (bad habit) and being right handed, while the nib is on the paper the top of the pen is to the right of the nib, e.g putting more horizontal pressure on the right tine than left. That turned out not to be the problem as I still write like that, but I realized that in addition I slightly rotated the pen on its axis to the right also. That was the part that was causing problems. Without concentrating I started writing and then after a few words would freeze. Then looking at the nib I realized that the breather hole was turned to the right slightly. That was the real problem. Not only putting more pressure on the right as it moved up and down, but also adding slight pressure on the vertical axis. So as I pick the pen up I started forcing myself to rotate the pen to the left a touch before putting the nib down. It must have taken only about a week to make it a habit and didn't have to think about it. The difference it made was enormous. My upstrokes always had a little kink in them and skipped, I realize now that the pen was rotating on the axis while i wrote. That's cured, and also the down strokes are much more even and consistent. The top of the letter I or t for example start at the right width and stay even all the way to the bottom. (I couldn't do that before). Putting pressure on one nib over the other in a horizontal motion wont damage the nib if you are not excessive, but putting horizontal pressure on it and vertical is a recipe for disaster. I check all my nibs occasionally through the loupe at the tips and they are always good now.
It may not be the same for you of course but in case it is, then I wanted to share my experience with you in case it helps, without correcting that, my writing would not have got any better no matter how much I practiced.
I have kept examples to measure against as I try and improve, as you can see my writing was terrible, its better now, or even at least.

 

 

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Nicely said. :thumbup:

In reference to P. T. Barnum; to advise for free is foolish, ........busybodies are ill liked by both factions.

 

 

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Please refer to the "Angle of the nib in relation to the writing direction" section in the following article in my website. I thoroughly explain this factor and include diagrams to better illustrate the issue. Hope this information is helpful to you

 

http://www.vintagepen.net/how-to-use-flex-nibs.html

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