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Flex Writing, Right Tine Springs Slightly

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#1 bardiir

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Posted 12 January 2015 - 20:26

I've got some different flex nibs and I'm writing copperplate with them. But some of the nibs seem to be more sensitive and the right tine is getting slightly higher than the left one. This makes the pen skip sometimes on the light writing.

 

I'm pretty sure that it comes due to writing with a rotated pen, but what rotation would cause the right tine to spring? Too far clockwise or too far counterclockwise?


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Posted 12 January 2015 - 20:33

Is this a dip pen or a fountain pen?

Is the pen aligned with the down stroke or is the down stroke a horizontal or diagonal stroke (from the pen's angle)?

 

If you are holding the pen in the standard "tripod" hold, and your down stroke is a diagonal stroke (from the pen's angle), I think that is the problem.  The diagonal down stroke is putting too much horizontal pressure on the right tine.


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#3 bardiir

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Posted 13 January 2015 - 21:42

Fountain pen(s).

I'm holding the pen at the angle that the writing is slanted. So a downstroke is basically a pull on the pen, straight back along the pen axis.


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#4 Bo Bo Olson

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 07:19

Re-align the nib....push down from the breather hole on the up tine.

 

Is that with all or just one...if just one...the nib could be sprung.


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#5 bardiir

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 21:25

No I'm getting it with all of them. It's not badly misaligned, it even writes great still. It just starts harder and the difference in the tines is visible with a loupe. Once you set it down to the paper the weight of the pen alone aligns the nib again, but on fast and light writing it's not always starting up right away.

 

Re-aligning is not an issue, but I'm afraid to damage the material if this happens too often, so I'm trying to find out what does strain the right tine more than the left one.


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Posted 14 January 2015 - 22:33

Look at the pen when you flex the nib to spread the tines, are you rotating the pen to the right?

That would put more pressure on the right tine.


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 05:59

Could be that the nibs are not really flexible and they are getting sprung.  The leading tine will usually spring first. 


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Posted 07 February 2015 - 04:01

bardiir

Interesting post. When I started writing with flex nibs the right tine was higher than the left after some writing.  I do not hold the pen square (bad habit) and being right handed, while the nib is on the paper the top of the pen is to the right of the nib, e.g putting more horizontal pressure on the right tine than left.  That turned out not to be the problem as I still write like that, but I realized that in addition I slightly rotated the pen on its axis to the right also. That was the part that was causing problems.  Without concentrating I started writing and then after a few words would freeze. Then looking at the nib I realized that the breather hole was turned to the right slightly.  That was the real problem. Not only putting more pressure on the right as it moved up and down, but also adding slight pressure on the vertical axis. So as I pick the pen up I started forcing myself to rotate the pen to the left a touch before putting the nib down. It must have taken only about a week to make it a habit and didn't have to think about it.  The difference it made was enormous. My upstrokes always had a little kink in them and skipped, I realize now that the pen was rotating on the axis while i wrote. That's cured, and also the down strokes are much more even and consistent. The top of the letter I or t for example start at the right width and stay even all the way to the bottom. (I couldn't do that before).  Putting pressure on one nib over the other in a horizontal motion wont damage the nib if you are not excessive, but putting horizontal pressure on it and vertical is a recipe for disaster.   I check all my nibs occasionally through the loupe at the tips and they are always good now.    
 
It may not be the same for you of course but in case it is, then I wanted to share my experience with you in case it helps, without correcting that, my writing would not have got any better no matter how much I practiced. 
 
I have kept examples to measure against as I try and improve, as you can see my writing was terrible, its better now, or even at least.

 

 

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#9 Bo Bo Olson

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 17:23

Nicely said. :thumbup:


German vintage '50-70 semi-flex stubs and those in oblique give the real thing in On Demand line variation. Modern Oblique is a waste of money for a shadow of line variation. Being too lazy to Hunt for affordable vintage oblique pens, lets you 'hunt' for line variation instead of having it.

www.nibs.com/blog/nibster-writes/nibs-germany & https://www.peter-bo...cts/nib-systems,

 

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 21:02

Please refer to the "Angle of the nib in relation to the writing direction" section in the following article in my website. I thoroughly explain this factor and include diagrams to better illustrate the issue. Hope this information is helpful to you

http://www.vintagepe...-flex-nibs.html
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