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Question Regarding To Omas Paragon Inner Cap

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#1 jhsd1124013561

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Posted 08 December 2014 - 20:41

Hi guys,

 

I got my NOS Omas Paragon Saft Green today, and have a favor to ask. I found that the cap cannot fully close on the barrel, which will leave a gap between the cap and barrel when I close the pen. Did Omas leave the pen like this on purpose or there is a problem with the pen?

 

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Posted 08 December 2014 - 21:57

I don't have that particular model, but I have a number of other of the Paragon style celluloid pens. All of mine are all celluloid (or cotton resin), none with the metal section. Not all of mine are shaped exactly like yours, but most are.

 

None of mine close like that. The end of the cap has a slightly narrow turning, which seems to close against the pen body. If there is any gap, it's very slight.

 

 

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Posted 08 December 2014 - 22:03

Based on your thread topic, it appears that you suspect the inner cap isn't seated completely. Is the end of the nib touching the end of the inner cap?

I doubt it left the factory this way, and would think it more likely that the nib was pulled and not reseated deep enough. Can we see a picture of the nib, feed, and section?

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 00:29

Hey Dneal and Markh,

 

Thank you so much for replying! I think you guys are correct - there shouldn't be a huge gap like the. The inner cap probably did not seated completely. However, I don't think the nib touching the end of the inner cap. I measured the length from the downer end of the inner cap to the downer end of the cap, the distance is simply too short. And I checked the inner cap, there is a screw, or some sort of thing like that. My guess is, the factory did not screw the inner cap deep enough.

 

 

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I don't have that particular model, but I have a number of other of the Paragon style celluloid pens. All of mine are all celluloid (or cotton resin), none with the metal section. Not all of mine are shaped exactly like yours, but most are.

 

None of mine close like that. The end of the cap has a slightly narrow turning, which seems to close against the pen body. If there is any gap, it's very slight.

 

 

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Based on your thread topic, it appears that you suspect the inner cap isn't seated completely. Is the end of the nib touching the end of the inner cap?

I doubt it left the factory this way, and would think it more likely that the nib was pulled and not reseated deep enough. Can we see a picture of the nib, feed, and section?


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Posted 09 December 2014 - 06:07

I think os the opposite.
The pen touch the inner cap too early, and therefore the cap do not screw till the end because pen has alreeady touched inner cap.
I own several omas: ill check mine and then ill let you know.

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 07:26

Yes, I think you are correct here. The section part touch the inner cap too early, where means the factory did not screw the inner cap deep enough.

 

Thanks for checking, please do let me know.

I think os the opposite.
The pen touch the inner cap too early, and therefore the cap do not screw till the end because pen has alreeady touched inner cap.
I own several omas: ill check mine and then ill let you know.


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#7 jar

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 03:30

The gap you see is not unusual. You can see similar gaps on the Paragon that is second from the right in this image, the grey Milord in this image and in this Bibliothèque Nationale.


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Posted 10 December 2014 - 06:30

Hey Jar,

 

Thank you so much for the helpful pictures, that helps me a lot. Still I am curious how did this happen. I know that the celluloid makes some changes during years, does that means the material shrink? 

 

Thanks!

The gap you see is not unusual. You can see similar gaps on the Paragon that is second from the right in this image, the grey Milord in this image and in this Bibliothèque Nationale.


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Posted 10 December 2014 - 14:17

Hey Jar,

 

Thank you so much for the helpful pictures, that helps me a lot. Still I am curious how did this happen. I know that the celluloid makes some changes during years, does that means the material shrink? 

 

Thanks!

 

That is possible but I doubt that is the case.

 

Long long ago and far far away I collected Sports cars instead of fountain pens.  My Italian ones all had a common feature which was inconsistency.  My Alfas came with either worm and roller or recirculating ball steering and only by looking could you tell which system Luigi happened to install in your particular car.  If you looked closely at the Bertone or Pinifarina bodies you found that left and right sides were not exactly the same and it depended whether Guissipi who was left handed or Salvatore who was right handed did the finishing file work on the seams.  Wiring harnesses seemed unique to the individual that did the wiring.  Carburetors might be Del'Orto or Weber though I will admit it was always two or three of the same make.

 

My guess is that the variations are just plain normal and totally a matter of who did the final work and inspection of that pen.


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Posted 21 December 2014 - 18:57

I bought an Omas yesterday that had this problem.  When you remove the inner cap (it is left-threaded, btw...), you'll see a nipple on the end that holds the clip in place.  It was a little too long.  I took a little off the end, re-installed everything, and it cap fits normally now.



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Posted 06 May 2015 - 16:49

I bought an Omas yesterday that had this problem.  When you remove the inner cap (it is left-threaded, btw...), you'll see a nipple on the end that holds the clip in place.  It was a little too long.  I took a little off the end, re-installed everything, and it cap fits normally now.

 

Do you need a special screwdriver to remove the inner cap?  And how much torque is required?  I tried, but it seems frozen and I don't want to damage the screw. 







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