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#1 Morbus Curiositas

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 10:02

De Atramentis Permanent CMYK Ink Experiments

 

Dear FPN friends,

 

I have already reviewed some of the DeAtramentis document inks. These are truly Bombproof inks. I tested the "survive-an atomic-war-resisctance in several reviews, one of them is listed in the link down below. 

 

http://www.fountainp...-ink-dark-blue/

 

you will find the specs and  the beaviour of these Document inks in the article linked

 

It survived the most horrible torture wiht the most agressive fluids.

 

Mixing your own PERMANENT ink colours and shades

 

I am in frequent contact wiht some artists of Urban Sketchers (USK). USK is a worldwide internetplatform for artists.

 

There are quite a lot of artist who paint with Fountain Pen Inks. i.e Fellow FPN-Member Pictogramax or USK prominence Liz Steel http://www.lizsteel.com

 

According to those members Permanent Inks in several colour are the holy grail for artists, since those are permanent and lght fast. I have inserted a fine work of art by the great Pictogramax at the bottom of this article.

 

Permanent Cyan, Magenta Yellow, Black (Key) CMYK colur mixing.

 

For artist, and I  guess for you FP-lovers too, using a colour scale, as wide as possible, is of utmost importance....

 

De atramentis therefore added a yellow, a Fuchsia(magenta), a turquoise (cyan) to their standard range of document inks which consists of, Blue, Dark Blue, Black, Brown, Red and Green.

 

 

 

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Substractive CMYK Colour mixing wiht De Atramentis Document inks.

 

With the CMYK colours one can mix virtually any colour in every Hue, and wiht the De Atramentis thinning agent for permanent inks one can mak every shade possible too...

 

Mixing Ink colours is nothing special.... But what is special ist that these inks are permanent and comply to the ISO 12757-2 , the European standard or permanency.....

 

Now every colour lasts till eternity and you can even give them a suntan....... No fading...What is special is the yellow permament ink... As far as I know the great  Noodlers an De Atramentis are the only passionate ink companies to offer those

 

Best of all these inks are safe for fountain pens.... and now available in every colour you like....

 

First mixing experiments

Mixing colours is a science, in my opinion. I am studying the scinece of colours a bit now.

 

Down here are the first quick-and dirty tests

 

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I first mixed the complementary colours here

 

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Some more tests. I used the thinniing agent for Document inks to vary in shades (darkness/brightness)

 

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I love brown  inks so I head to try a little.... Just the first experiments... Hte ready-mixed Brown is awesome and shades

 

Conclusion

Ink mixing and colour mixing are great fun :D

 

I currently do not understand enough about colours, but I  will look into that.... any suggestions are welcome....

 

It is very cool to be able to make my own PERMANENT colours and shade.... Will do some in hte future.... I will experiment wiht my normal inks too.... But I like the Idea of Permanent inks in every colour possible :D

 

Artwork with De Atramentis (permanent) inks

I promised you to show you some fine examples of painting with inks.

 

Down here you see some Works by fellow member Pictogramax. He did some nice works with DA Khaki, Havann and gold before.

 

He now made the works down below wiht the  inks he received from the friendly owner of De Atramentis Dr Franz-Josef Jansen

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Made with De Atramentis Document  ink Brown and Black

 

 

 

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Finished with De Atramentis Brown, Black (permanent) Steel Blue and Sahara Grey (non-permanent)

 

awesome works or what??? Chapeau!!! Pictogramax :wub:  :happyberet: 

 

According to Pictogramax, the advantages are huge....

Permanency and  lightfastness. Painting over other inks wihtout blurring. Excellent behaviour.

 

My experience.....

No Feathering, some showthrough.... Wet as the ocean, but quicker drying than a camel's bottom during a desert stroll :) ...... and it shades.

 

Want to experience yourself???

I have already posted the following today:

Amberlea.... You already have Magenta and Turquoise....Black Yellow and Thinning agent samples are underway..... Oh and er.... I couldn't resist sending you Merlot Wine-ink as well (Please write don't drink :puddle: )

Cybaea your yellow is on it's way

 

Adrianc samples of all CMYK inks and the thinning agent are swimming the Atlantic now...

 

Why did I askif you want to experience yourself???... Easy send

me your adress.... Iwill send you a sample.... Do some Art Work :excl:  :happyberet:

 

Regards

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 29 September 2014 - 18:48

And......  we can buy the set (heavily discounted).... Where???   :wub:

 

 

Honestly... I have been mixing inks for years... and YES... is a lot of FUN...  :lol:  ...     I would love a set of the CMYK permanent inks...  If they aren't sold in a set.. I would highly recommend to look into that.

 

 

 

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#3 Tas

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 18:53

Gorgeous . . . !



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Posted 30 September 2014 - 05:58

And......  we can buy the set (heavily discounted).... Where???   :wub:

 

 

Honestly... I have been mixing inks for years... and YES... is a lot of FUN...  :lol:  ...     I would love a set of the CMYK permanent inks...  If they aren't sold in a set.. I would highly recommend to look into that.

 

 

 

C.

 

 

Edit to say...   :notworthy1:  :notworthy1:  :notworthy1:  :notworthy1: ....PICTOGRAMAX IS DA BOMB !!!!!

 

 

Hello Cyber6.... Your wish is my command  :notworthy1:

 

I alraedy suggested the idea of a special cmyk permanent ink box to Dr Jansen (DA owner) He thought it was a nice idea... He will consider it for the future... Including the thinning Agent.

 

Shipping costs are nasty.... Goulet Pens Carries a lot of DA inks including the permanent ones.... 

 

4 = 3 Discount on the DA Website. If you order 4 bottles you pay only 3 (this saves you about €18) The Thinnin-agent costs $12,50 normally but dr Jansen told me that I could offer them to FPN friends for only €5,10 that is €7,40 cheaper.... Do not know the rate of the Dollar  but I guess it is a discount of aprox 30 dollar.

 

I sent out some samples yesterday (also to amberlea).... If you leave me your adress I will sent you samples of the DA permanent CMYK inks and the Thinning agent :)....

 

But maybe a group buy is an idea to safe on shipping.... I can ask dr Jansen if he gives a specia condition/discount then..... Thisway one safes those horrible shipping costs.....

 

I am in contact with the friendly owner of a well known Dutch FP-shop... I will ask him if he could order Noodlers for Europe.... (same nasty problem ofshipping costs here :( )

 

Can you give some recipes for coulour mixing.... the info in Internet is not very helpful

 

Regards 

 

Peter


Das leben ist wie ein Perpetuum Mobile mit ein Mangel..... Immer im Bewegung jedoch nicht unendlich. (life is like a troubled Perpetuum Mobile ever moving but not for ever)

Tricked throughout the centuries...

For centuries people had been tricked by kings & "religion-alism"

In the 20th century people got tricked by communism

Today people get tricked by (neo)capitalism  :) 


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 06:34

A box set of CMYK ink + thinning agent would make a wonderful Christmas present.   

 

I hope De Atramentis (Dr. Jansen) gets it together and ships it to Goulet in time for the holiday season.   :D



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Posted 30 September 2014 - 06:38

A box set of CMYK ink + thinning agent would make a wonderful Christmas present.   

 

I hope De Atramentis (Dr. Jansen) gets it together and ships it to Goulet in time for the holiday season.   :D

I will ask him  Adrianc....

 

I just send you a second PM concerning this  :)


Das leben ist wie ein Perpetuum Mobile mit ein Mangel..... Immer im Bewegung jedoch nicht unendlich. (life is like a troubled Perpetuum Mobile ever moving but not for ever)

Tricked throughout the centuries...

For centuries people had been tricked by kings & "religion-alism"

In the 20th century people got tricked by communism

Today people get tricked by (neo)capitalism  :) 


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 08:38

I like the sound of this very much.

 

Maybe there is even some hope of mixing a shade that closely resembles the original version of Noodler's Black Swan in Australian Roses? Merlot & Black possibly?



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Posted 30 September 2014 - 08:59

I like the sound of this very much.
 
Maybe there is even some hope of mixing a shade that closely resembles the original version of Noodler's Black Swan in Australian Roses? Merlot & Black possibly?


Well since I am going to send you a Merlot sample I might as well send you this CMYK samples

Das leben ist wie ein Perpetuum Mobile mit ein Mangel..... Immer im Bewegung jedoch nicht unendlich. (life is like a troubled Perpetuum Mobile ever moving but not for ever)

Tricked throughout the centuries...

For centuries people had been tricked by kings & "religion-alism"

In the 20th century people got tricked by communism

Today people get tricked by (neo)capitalism  :) 


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 09:04

Well since I am going to send you a Merlot sample I might as well send you this CMYK samples

Wow!!! Lovely. Thank you so much. :wub:



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Posted 02 October 2014 - 05:16

This is incredible!! WOW WOW WOW

 

I've been having fun the magenta and turquoise.  The possibilities with this CYMK are HUGE.


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 05:25

This is incredible!! WOW WOW WOW

 

I've been having fun the magenta and turquoise.  The possibilities with this CYMK are HUGE.

well good that I sent you a letter for two days..

 

Not only a letter but also samples of

DA Document Black and yellow

DA Thinning agent for (permanent) document inks

and DA Wine ink Merlot :)

 

They contain about 2 ml I believe.... Hope that is sufficient.

 

What is your experience with the Magenta(Cyan) one member told me it was not highly saturated... I think it is just fine....It worked out very well in my experiments here.

 

 

 

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Das leben ist wie ein Perpetuum Mobile mit ein Mangel..... Immer im Bewegung jedoch nicht unendlich. (life is like a troubled Perpetuum Mobile ever moving but not for ever)

Tricked throughout the centuries...

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In the 20th century people got tricked by communism

Today people get tricked by (neo)capitalism  :) 


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 15:47

I think he's mistaken... it's very nicely saturated.


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 15:49

I think he's mistaken... it's very nicely saturated.

That's what I thought :)


Das leben ist wie ein Perpetuum Mobile mit ein Mangel..... Immer im Bewegung jedoch nicht unendlich. (life is like a troubled Perpetuum Mobile ever moving but not for ever)

Tricked throughout the centuries...

For centuries people had been tricked by kings & "religion-alism"

In the 20th century people got tricked by communism

Today people get tricked by (neo)capitalism  :) 


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 16:16

Impressive art!

 

Mixing inks for me is a rather trial @ error method. Using a scale is necessary to repeat the process.



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Posted 03 October 2014 - 08:14

Impressive art!

 

Mixing inks for me is a rather trial @ error method. Using a scale is necessary to repeat the process.

Hi Trom,

 

 

It was my first mixing experiment and it was Trial & Error for me too :)

 

I am  nurse so it is easy for me to obtain syringes

 

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The largest one can hold up to 60 ml. (it is used for feeding tubes)

I use it for cleaning my Fountain Pens.... Super fast in 10 seconds :D

 

The thin one (with the red needle) Is an Insuline syringe. It can only hold 1 ml. But the scale is very accurate.... (In MICROlitres steps)

 

This way I canuse small amount of ink and I can be very precise....


Das leben ist wie ein Perpetuum Mobile mit ein Mangel..... Immer im Bewegung jedoch nicht unendlich. (life is like a troubled Perpetuum Mobile ever moving but not for ever)

Tricked throughout the centuries...

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In the 20th century people got tricked by communism

Today people get tricked by (neo)capitalism  :) 


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Posted 03 October 2014 - 08:37

That's a good way. Thanks. You're a real alchemist :)



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Posted 03 October 2014 - 08:51

That's a good way. Thanks. You're a real alchemist :)

:)  Peter is Pierre in French....

 

So I am sort of the Pierre Lavaoisier for Ink Experiments ;)


Das leben ist wie ein Perpetuum Mobile mit ein Mangel..... Immer im Bewegung jedoch nicht unendlich. (life is like a troubled Perpetuum Mobile ever moving but not for ever)

Tricked throughout the centuries...

For centuries people had been tricked by kings & "religion-alism"

In the 20th century people got tricked by communism

Today people get tricked by (neo)capitalism  :) 


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Posted 03 October 2014 - 09:10

:)  Peter is Pierre in French....

 

So I am sort of the Pierre Lavaoisier for Ink Experiments ;)

 

Hopefully you won't lose your head...


Edited by Trom, 03 October 2014 - 09:22.


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Posted 03 October 2014 - 10:11

I'd like such a set. I normally paint with watercolor, but an ink and wash with that effect--boy oh boy would I like to give that a go.



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Posted 03 October 2014 - 10:21

I'd like such a set. I normally paint with watercolor, but an ink and wash with that effect--boy oh boy would I like to give that a go.

I'd like such a set. I normally paint with watercolor, but an ink and wash with that effect--boy oh boy would I like to give that a go.


When it is wet you can mix it to other colours.

when it is dry the colours do no mix you can paint over them...

I will publish a Compariosn of De atramentis Khaki and Herbin Lie de The this afternoon

It is called allied forces Germany - France

I used following colours for the flags

DA Document Blue
DA Document Red (ready mixed)
DA Document Black
Herbin 1670 Blue

Enjoy

Das leben ist wie ein Perpetuum Mobile mit ein Mangel..... Immer im Bewegung jedoch nicht unendlich. (life is like a troubled Perpetuum Mobile ever moving but not for ever)

Tricked throughout the centuries...

For centuries people had been tricked by kings & "religion-alism"

In the 20th century people got tricked by communism

Today people get tricked by (neo)capitalism  :) 






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