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I just purchased a vintage gold Parker Sonnet ballpoint. The ink needed to be replaced, but when I tried to match up available refills from local stores, I noticed that there is a slight difference in the actual ink capsule. (see photo) It's just enough of a difference to prevent my pen from using the newer refill.



Does anyone here know where I can find the original Parker refills? I even logged on to the French version of the Parker Pens website, but they seem to be selling these same, newer, refills.



The refill on the top came with the pen. The one below is new, and just slightly too long (in the ink capsule) to fit in my Sonnet.



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My several Sonnet ballpoint pens all take Jotter refills. Pelikan refills also work, being essentially the same. Pelikan still marketed broad refills last time I bought some on ebay. Staples has Parker refills. Many places offer Parker refills. If you have a knock-off refill, it appears it might not work in a genuine pen.

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Pajaro,

 

It's a knock off, but it's patterned after today's Parker refills. The refill that came in the vintage Sonnet appears to be older, and therefore, harder to find. I appreciate your suggestions and will expand my search for Jotter and Pelikan refills. Thank you very much!

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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but unfortunately I'm fairly certain that this is a fake Sonnet ballpoint, this is not a pattern ever produced by Parker in the Sonnet range and if the pen is a fake then there's a good chance that the refill is not true to the Parker format and you'll find it difficult to find replacements, where did you purchase it? Personally I would return it for a refund and find a genuine example :(

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I also thought it might be a fake, but then it might not be a Sonnet.

"Don't hurry, don't worry. It's better to be late at the Golden Gate than to arrive in Hell on time."
--Sign in a bar and grill, Ormond Beach, Florida, 1960.

 

 

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I have some Parker refills from the '70's, 80's. 90's and 2013, and they all seem to fit the Parker pens I tried them in.

As mentioned, there are other brands that will fit and work well, eg. Stabilo, Faber Castell, and Fisher.

The Fisher Space pen refill is far too short, but they do supply an adapter to fit it in Parker or similar pens.

I have tried a couple of no-name refills which looked right, but the plastic rotator would stick part way between clicking the pen on and off.

In the photo, bottom refill is a 'T-Ball' from the 1970's, (still works), middle is a 2005 Parker 'Powerpoint', and top is a 2013 Parker 'QuinkFlow'.

(If it is of help, in the top photo of this thread, neither of the refills appear to be genuine Parker brand to me.)

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There are a number of third party pens that use the parker refill model, and a number of third party refills that all work together. It's probably just surprising that somebody didn't get the knocking-off right, as often as it has been done.

 

Love the Fisher Space pen refills. I have at least one left from 1983, and it blobs ink just as well as it did when I first bought it.

"Don't hurry, don't worry. It's better to be late at the Golden Gate than to arrive in Hell on time."
--Sign in a bar and grill, Ormond Beach, Florida, 1960.

 

 

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Google has everything.

"Old Parker ballpoint refills" Search.

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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but unfortunately I'm fairly certain that this is a fake Sonnet ballpoint, this is not a pattern ever produced by Parker in the Sonnet range and if the pen is a fake then there's a good chance that the refill is not true to the Parker format and you'll find it difficult to find replacements, where did you purchase it? Personally I would return it for a refund and find a genuine example :(

 

The strange thing is, the refill at the top, with the Parker imprint on the barrel, is the refill I took out of the pen. Would counterfeiters go the extra mile and even fake an ink cartridge?

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I have some Parker refills from the '70's, 80's. 90's and 2013, and they all seem to fit the Parker pens I tried them in.

As mentioned, there are other brands that will fit and work well, eg. Stabilo, Faber Castell, and Fisher.

The Fisher Space pen refill is far too short, but they do supply an adapter to fit it in Parker or similar pens.

I have tried a couple of no-name refills which looked right, but the plastic rotator would stick part way between clicking the pen on and off.

In the photo, bottom refill is a 'T-Ball' from the 1970's, (still works), middle is a 2005 Parker 'Powerpoint', and top is a 2013 Parker 'QuinkFlow'.

(If it is of help, in the top photo of this thread, neither of the refills appear to be genuine Parker brand to me.)

 

Thank you so much for your cartridge examples. So, even the refill in my photo with the Parker name imprinted on it looks like it could be a fake? That's amazing.

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Parker pens do seem to get faked quite often, many have been shown on this site, I can't say for certain about these refills, but from the photos I would say not genuine.

But saying that, they might write well enough, and I have tried 'own brand' Parker style refills from a well-known stationers chain in the UK which were very good, so not Parker but not fake either.

The problem I had with another cheap Parker style copy refill, was that it would jam in the cap, would stick down and not rotate as it should.

The real Quinkflow refills are not cheap to buy, but the quality is there, and they seem to last a very long time.

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Thank you so much for your cartridge examples. So, even the refill in my photo with the Parker name imprinted on it looks like it could be a fake? That's amazing.

 

If it's not a Sonnet, might it not be another Parker model?

"Don't hurry, don't worry. It's better to be late at the Golden Gate than to arrive in Hell on time."
--Sign in a bar and grill, Ormond Beach, Florida, 1960.

 

 

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I don't know too much about the Sonnet range, but maybe this pen is genuine Parker (something other than a Sonnet, mentioned by pajero), it's only the refills in the photo that are not?

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Hello,

I just purchased parker 51 Presidential pencil and I don't know how I can remove the existing lead, it doesn’t come out completely, please could you advise how I can replace the lead with new one?

Thanks.

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Your pencil mechanism is broken. The tube (sheath) should be attached to the propeller screw base not stuck in the cap.

 

Easiest fix is to find a replacement mechanism.

What does the inscription on the cap and barrel say?

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Thanks for your response. It is 9K .375, made in England. I think I should return back to the seller becuase I don't know who can replace the mechanism, it is old pencil 1950/60.

Regards.

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Hi, I had the same problem with a 1970's Parker 75 mech pencil.

Can't be sure if it's exactly the same fault, but what seems to happen is the spiral part becomes dry over time, which makes it difficult to turn the lead out.

So what I did was to hold onto the chrome plated cone part at the end, and holding the brass spiral part at the same time, and unthreading it, will allow the spiral inner to come out of the barrel.

Using a loupe magnifier, you will see 2 small black 'O' rings, one at the top and one at the bottom.

These need to have a very small drop of oil or graphite run into them, and the mechamism will work again.

I used the edge of a small piece of newspaper with a drop of oil soaked into it, and just ran it around the 'O' ring seals, working under a 10x loupe.

The complete pencil works by turning the cap anti-clockwise 'till all the lead is out, replacing the lead with a new piece, and turning the cap to retract the lead.

When replacing the lead, the top end of the lead is gripped by the mechanism, so that it won't just fall out when in use.

It works by propelling out about 2mm of lead, then pressing it against the paper. The very top part of the lead tube must be slightly narrower to pinch it.

Hope this makes sense.

Of course an option is to return it, but I would think any pencil using this same inner part would need the same maintenance done to it.

( Unlike modern clutch pencils, these older types need to have one piece of lead in use at any time, they can't work with shorter pieces in a 'queue').

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