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Conway Stewart Orange "duro Pens" : Identification Help Required


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Dear all,

 

I have come across these two Orange Conway Stewart "The Duro Pens', probably from the early 1900's.

 

One is a lever filler and marked on the barrel - THE DURO PEN...and others

 

This is a huge pen, almost 150 mm, much larger than the Parker Lucky Curve Big Red.

 

The other is also a large pen, as big as the big red , around 140 mm, only that it seems smaller in comparison to the first pen. It is an ED filler. Another "THE DURO PEN". Orange.

 

It seems that I have exeeded my quota for uploading pics on this forum, so I have uploaded the pics on Flickr and provided the links at the end of the topic...hope it helps.

 

What I would like to know is whether these are valuable finds and rare...one can even IM me the valuation of these pieces as I am about to buy these from someone. I would be trying to decide once I have heard from the experts on the forum!

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/14843600787/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/15007146556/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/15007142826/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/14843470980/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/15027071111/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/15007130456/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/15030117775/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/15030115335/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/15007122106/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/14843378909/in/photostream/

 

 

 

Pen 2 (ED Filler)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/14843563787/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/14843497678/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/14843441870/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/15030094115/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/15007099376/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/15007094986/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/14843478448/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/14843422360/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/15027023111/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/14843532927/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/14843465658/in/photostream/

 

Comparison of the two pens

https://www.flickr.com/photos/100486217@N02/14843335799/in/photostream/

 

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Regards,

S

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

S

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I presume that you have examined the pen for imprints - if not, that is a critical first step, then you should consult Donahaye's Book of Numbers for further information about the pen. Then, if you aren't going to buy them, send us the seller's name & contact details so that we can! :D

 

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I presume that you have examined the pen for imprints - if not, that is a critical first step, then you should consult Donahaye's Book of Numbers for further information about the pen. Then, if you aren't going to buy them, send us the seller's name & contact details so that we can! :D

 

Cheers!

MikeW

 

Absolutely! :thumbup:

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Dear all,

 

Thanks so much for the information!

 

I justt consulted the page by Jonathan Donahaye web page. It is so very comprehensive!

 

This is what I have found out about the pens...

 

(1) The ED filler

The marking is 134T on this one and being an ED filler, falls in the DURO 20 category. The "T" suffix itself refers to "red hard rubber".

There are three 134-T's listed herein-

134T: Chased black Early The Duro pen, Black Vulcanite*, ball clip, no bands

134T: The Duro pen, Red Vulcanite*, fixed clip, no bands

134T: The Duro pen, Red Vulcanite*, fixed clip, 1 medium band

However, this specific Duro ED that I have has two bands and a different clip, and does not match any of the above examples. Even the size of this pen that I have found is pretty large. Almost 139-140 mm.

Hence, could I assume that this one is another rare example(?)....because there is not other reference of any other ED for the "134T"s except for the above.

What I have thought I would do is to contact the website for checking this design and maybe this could be added on as another 134T...could be...I don't know at this point.

 

(2) The Flanged Lever filler

 

Going by the Patent No.235447, which is imprinted on the barrel, the pen can be dated to 1925.

The patent was to protect the "flange lever designed to prevent the lever from being accidentally raised". This specific lever was referred to as the "stop-guard lever" in the patent itself, as per the site.

The clip is an old style clip, which could either be a fixed clip or a stepped clip, each of which always terminates in a ball, as opposed to washer clip.

Other than these identifications, I could not find anything more specific.

 

So, I am guessing that these could be really rare examples, and not pens which are found in handful or often.

 

Comments welcome please....and please feel free to point out mistakes in my findings.

 

As for the seller contact, these may be up for sale here on FPN shortly :)

 

Good day!

 

Regards,

S

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Here are my remarks :


First pen : maybe one 144T ? (one band on cap)


Second pen: the cap seems to be the one of Duro n°8 (two narrow bands) and the lever is not the one of origin.


Somebody has mixed different things : cap, lever…


see S.Hull "Fountain Pens for the million" page 51 and page 54
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Second pen: the cap seems to be the one of Duro n°8 (two narrow bands) and the lever is not the one of origin.

Somebody has mixed different things : cap, lever…
see S.Hull "Fountain Pens for the million" page 51 and page 54

 

 

The cap is a perfect fit ..this is clearly evident in the pictures...

So, while I don't think that the cap is an assemply of incorrect parts, I really don't know....

I will try checking the reference you have provided...

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I am inclined to think that the whilst the cap and barrel might be correct the clip on the smaller one (and possibly the lever on the larger pen) are not original. Despite that they are the basis for two good restorations.

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