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#1 antoniosz

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 23:36

In addition to Osmiroid there are these interesting "finds"
With expeption of the second from the right that looks like a retrofited renew point with a different nib, the others are legitimate feed/nib units that fit into Esties. You can tell from the feed shape/material that at least they are not retrofits. These three also all have flat feeds.
For clarity from the left:
1. Venus Extra fine Made in USA
2. Waterman Ideal F22
3. Alloy tipped EX-FINE U.S.A.
4. Sengebusch Medium 86 Made in U.S.A
Once I had a Conwey Stewart Scribe Italic that had a feed/nib that could be used on an Estie. I also have a Esterbrook look-alike called Scriptmaster with a feed/nib can be also used on an Estie. It is somewhere in the house - when I find it I will post a photo. Please let us know what else is out there.
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Posted 27 May 2005 - 23:40

Antonios-

Great picture! I forgot about the Sengbusch nibs, I have one of those around here somewhere too. I didn't know Waterman even made a screw in nib unit. Looks gold plated?

Too cool. :)

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Posted 27 May 2005 - 23:53

Thanks Brian.

They looked like gold plated but there are no markings.
For the Waterman I am not sure what it really is. The nib/feed look as clean as an unused one. The transparent sleeve is unique and the feed has what looks like a single channel. So it is either true Waterman or a Lexenpen.

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Posted 28 May 2005 - 07:06

I think Brian mentioned here that Pelikan M200 nibs can screw into the Esterbrook pens that take similar nibs.

Very interesting, Antonios! :)
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 22:02

I know - there are on this board (and elsewhere) few marginally mentally balanced ones who are interested in extremely obscure details for Esterbrooks. So for this clan, I am proudly presenting today a series of nibs that I stumbled on recently which nearly doubled my non Esterbrook renew points collection. Presenting the family of "ELECT-A-POINT" nibs.
These are Durachrome equivalent (folded tine tip) nibs. In 6 point types:

100 extra fine
105 fine
110 medium
115 broad
120 manifold and ..(drumroll) ...
125 flexible. (not really but that what it says on it)

Plated and non plated versions exist as well as a bunch of them with a .. breather tube - an inprovement (I guess) over the original renew points.

Hey Brian, I have an extra set.
We can always trade for one of these blue reliefs :lol: :lol:

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Posted 18 October 2005 - 22:35

Way cool. Are those for sale? ;)

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#7 Ann Finley

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Posted 18 October 2005 - 22:45

Hi Antonios,

How wonderful! I've got a couple of questions...Were the Elect-A-Point nibs made in the USA? Does the color of the nib/feed collar (or whatever it is called) correlate with the number on the feed? And, have you only seen these nibs once, at the time you bought what you are showing us?

Also, I have another Pelikan nib (besides the 200s) which fits Esterbrooks...But I don't know which Pelikan pen it was made for--it doesn't fit my 120. It says Pelikan 2.0 on it (indicating the width). Do you think it may have been made for a Pelikan 140?

Thanks much,
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Posted 18 October 2005 - 22:52

Very cool Antonios! I like the breather tube design and the colored sleeves. :) Never heard of them before though.

Good Show!

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#9 antoniosz

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 00:17

Were the Elect-A-Point nibs made in the USA? Does the color of the nib/feed collar (or whatever it is called) correlate with the number on the feed? And, have you only seen these nibs once, at the time you bought what you are showing us?


Ann, I am not sure but I would assume that they were US made.
The color does coordinate with number and nib style.
This was the first time that I have seen them. A quasi sumgai purchase.
I am not familiar with the Pelikan nibs that fit into the Esties, I have heard about them but I have not had one.

Way cool. Are those for sale? ;)

Kental, I have about 5 complete sets of them :ph34r: Estie fundamentalists will have priority.

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 01:41

Thanks, Antonios, for the answers.

:) Ann

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 03:43

Hmm, whatever became of that Waterman nib is actually an excellent idea for what to do with spare nibs and feeds. If someone has, for example, a pen with a ruined barrel but a well-preserved nib and feed of the right size, one thing to do besides put the guts in a usable barrel would be to simply retrofit the point for use in Esterbrooks, which are inexpensive, readily available, and happen to have easily interchangable nibs.

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 06:21

Neat, Antonios!
I assume they fit into the Osmiroid pens that can accept Esterbrook Renew-Point nibs?
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Posted 26 August 2006 - 13:45

Hmm, whatever became of that Waterman nib is actually an excellent idea for what to do with spare nibs and feeds.  If someone has, for example, a pen with a ruined barrel but a well-preserved nib and feed of the right size, one thing to do besides put the guts in a usable barrel would be to simply retrofit the point for use in Esterbrooks, which are inexpensive, readily available, and happen to have easily interchangable nibs.

Eversharp 2 in Esterbrook nib body. I still am not happy with the fit but I am learning as I go.



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There are a lot of semi-flex nibs out in the wild and many flex nibs. After working on this and building and repairing a few pens..... I think it would have been less expensive to just have a Nibmeister take care of the desire and put a new "flex nib" in a new pen body.

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Posted 07 September 2006 - 07:22

In response to the original question, you can see a couple of NOS packs of Conway Stewart renew-point type nibs on Steve Smith's website. You'll have to scroll down the page to stock number 395. Occasionally, he juggles the pictures on his pages around, so if you don't find the picture here, try looking through his other CS pages.

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 21:38

I know that one can fit other nibs into the Esterbrook renew points.
My interest is in "renew-point" look-a-likes that were meant to compete with the original renew points.

Here is another one. Prefer-a-point from Tully Canada. The inscription read "Stub Iridium tipped Canada". Of course it fits into Esties smile.gif I don't think anybody can dispute that this is a clone of the renew points. Read the number: 7355. Nice.

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 13:12

Where do you keep coming up with all these oddities? smile.gif

Very interesting, never heard of that one before either.

Thanks AZ!

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 02:42

By the way.... I was looking thought FPN and rhr has posted very interesting about Tully and his (and her) history.
See this link.
Amazing things one can find in the old posts of FPN smile.gif

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 16:03

I just got a pile of Estie parts and found an interesting screw on nib:

FreeFlow
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Hardest Iridium
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Made in Japan


My card reader is out of commission, so I can't show you a photo. I haven't tested it - it looks mint, but it screws in just fine.

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 18:04

Is your scanner working now? A photo would be great!...

AZ

QUOTE (Nancy @ Feb 18 2008, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just got a pile of Estie parts and found an interesting screw on nib:

FreeFlow
Warranted
Hardest Iridium
<3>
Made in Japan


My card reader is out of commission, so I can't show you a photo. I haven't tested it - it looks mint, but it screws in just fine.



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Posted 12 June 2009 - 02:44

A new addition to the family smile.gif

Pick-a-point smile.gif from National Merchandise Mfg of Canada

Yeap they do fit into an Estie and Renew points fit into this pen smile.gif Most probably from the 50s (see reference to ball point in the warranty)

3 nibs in one package, fine, medium and broad

Bad quality smile.gif Heat seating for sure. Anyway the profile of the feed looks more early Estie.

Very primitive feed. Bad quality - flashed plastic form injection molding shown in one side.

Pen also is warped due to the pressure bar. But I love it anyway as I am interested in these non-renew points.



PS> I found one reference to this canadian law case: Mentmore Manufacturing Co., Ltd. v. National Merchandise Manufacturing Co. Inc. (1978), 40 C.P.R. (2d) 164 (F.C.A.). It looks that they ran into trouble by infringing someone else IP as well smile.gif George any info on this case?






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