Chinese Handwriting Series On Chinese-Forums

[Algester]

silver ink,

 

Sorry for coming in late.

 

Your "hand-machine" example is actually a Mainland China habit to render everything down to two-syllables. A little like German, the Chinese language produces "compounds" by stitching individual characters together. To take your example:

 

"Hand - carry - electric - conversation - machine" refers to mobile phone, but it's simplified as "hand - machine". I consider it as a bad habit from the Mainland because it's very arbitrary, before "hand - machine" became common, "hand - electric" was used as well, which was equally absurd, if not more so. I am waiting for them to figure out what they would call "hand - cranked - break - meat - machine" (hand-cranked meat grinder), or perhaps a thousand other possibilities.

considering my heritage... I think I know what it come out like

絞肉機

Jiǎo ròu jī

in chinese nuances this will mean the same thing (be it automatic or hand cranked) damn its hard to type chinese without the proper IME tools... I can write but not type thats the problem

手動絞肉機 (if were being TOO Specific but I dont think it matters) disection hand-manipulated-grind-meat-tool/machine

Shǒudòng jiǎo ròu jī

Edited July 5, 2014 by Algester

[Algester]

Nobody said this clearly so first I should inform you that there are different kinds of Chinese characters. There are at least pictograms, ideograms, ideogrammic compounds, phono-semantic compounds, and rebus characters.

"Hand machine" isn't one character. It is a word of two characters: 手機, where 手 is "hand" and "機" is "machine." New words are created using a similar method. For example "smartphone" is 智能手機 (knowledge -able hand machine) and "smartwatch" will likely be 智能手錶 "knowledge -able hand watch" or something similar.

智能电话 <--- Smartphone close but no cigar dianhua is phone already shoupiaw is wrist watch so your right with that one AHHH I HATE YOU MAO!!!! SERIOUSLY PIAO?!

 

I seriously need to stop... I'm still trying to forget my chinese but I still... remember some

Edited July 5, 2014 by Algester

[Renzhe]

Your "hand-machine" example is actually a Mainland China habit to render everything down to two-syllables.

Do other regions tend not to do that?

 

Smartphone close but no cigar dianhua is phone already

If you mean that nobody says "smartphone," I was just using it as an example.

Edited July 6, 2014 by Renzhe

[Algester]

Do other regions tend not to do that?

 

If you mean that nobody says "smartphone," I was just using it as an example.

nae chinese is known to break down english words and make them sound the same in the native language and end up depending on how many syllables it could be 4 depending on how deep the english word is (only if the word is very foreign)

 

smartphone... mmm actually language will change overtime it will adapt if not some will be added to the dictionary else they will just make use of compound words really... also there are nuances in the chinese language that you can say they are being basic as such is my example of a meat grinder it will come out as manual or electrical depending on usage or if lazier some just add in the horsepower of the motor as such 2HP絞肉機 will connote it being electrical if there's really no chinese equivalent then they will use the english equivalent like english words

Edited July 6, 2014 by Algester

[silver ink]

silver ink,

 

Sorry for coming in late.

 

Your "hand-machine" example is actually a Mainland China habit to render everything down to two-syllables. A little like German, the Chinese language produces "compounds" by stitching individual characters together. To take your example:

 

"Hand - carry - electric - conversation - machine" refers to mobile phone, but it's simplified as "hand - machine". I consider it as a bad habit from the Mainland because it's very arbitrary, before "hand - machine" became common, "hand - electric" was used as well, which was equally absurd, if not more so. I am waiting for them to figure out what they would call "hand - cranked - break - meat - machine" (hand-cranked meat grinder), or perhaps a thousand other possibilities.

ok sir now i have an idea, how chinese is written

 

Thanks a lot for explaining

 

minced beef will be written as "hand cranked break machine cow meat"?

Edited July 6, 2014 by silver ink

[Renzhe]

People will not be specific unless they have to. "Phone" is a smartphone unless differentiated. "Minced beef" will not tell you how it was made unless it's necessary.

[sotto2]

For those interested in writing Chinese particularly with a fountain pen, here is an introductory .pdf file on the subject that I ran across:

 

http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/languages/pdf/Bjorksten_excerpt.pdf

[Algester]

ok sir now i have an idea, how chinese is written

 

Thanks a lot for explaining

 

minced beef will be written as "hand cranked break machine cow meat"?

Nae it comes out as 絞肉 please do refer to my posts...

[sotto2]

For those who might be interested, here's a video I've been enjoying (in Chinese) on writing Chinese characters with a fountain pen (with a Parker-esque 51 FP). The video runs over an hour, but it shows in detail how to form the various strokes with a fountain pen. Just what I've been looking for. For some reason, I find this very relaxing and interesting:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QyZ5m8JxKA

[sotto2]

oops, sorry

Edited July 10, 2014 by sotto2

[sotto2]

Oops, the double-post monster bit me, twice.

Edited July 10, 2014 by sotto2

[Renzhe]

I don't like how he...dillydallies inside strokes to make them shapely. I could do without the time-consuming stroke shaping that he does.

[sotto2]

I don't like how he...dillydallies inside strokes to make them shapely. I could do without the time-consuming stroke shaping that he does.

Is that not how it's done? For someone like me, who is learning, and who enjoys watching the shapes being formed with a FP, it would be helpful to know.

[Algester]

Is that not how it's done? For someone like me, who is learning, and who enjoys watching the shapes being formed with a FP, it would be helpful to know.

I tried what is done on the video and tried to replicate it on a Saillor Fude de Mannen nib loaded to my Lecoule I said to myself why Didint I knew this sooner though my style is different as I press down the nib after ever stroke done as it turns the strokes into sharper edges compared to more round edges when writing as is yes because I treated my fude de mannen like a brush pen wondering how to apply the principles

http://i.imgur.com/bVn3RAYl.jpg

 

take note on the right side because that was totally done when I initally tried to study the quirky nature of fude nibs

Edited July 10, 2014 by Algester

[Renzhe]

Is that not how it's done?

Look at the series on Chinese-forums. The strokes are made by just putting the writing instrument down, dragging it where it needs to be, and then lifting it up. High pressure at thick parts, low pressure at thin parts. I'm not saying what he does is wrong; it just doesn't seem worth it to me to try to trace something that resembles brush strokes with a fountain pen. In some ways it seems more troublesome than writing with a brush.

Edited July 10, 2014 by Renzhe

[sotto2]

Look at the series on Chinese-forums. The strokes are made by just putting the writing instrument down, dragging it where it needs to be, and then lifting it up. High pressure at thick parts, low pressure at thin parts. I'm not saying what he does is wrong; it just doesn't seem worth it to me to try to trace something that resembles brush strokes with a fountain pen. In some ways it seems more troublesome than writing with a brush.

Thanks for the additional info. To me, who has already tried it with a brush, it is more trouble to do it that way than with a fountain pen. And, I prefer the fountain pen to the brush. I guess that's why I'm here and not at the Chinese Calligraphy Brush Forum.

[disillusion]

Look at the series on Chinese-forums. The strokes are made by just putting the writing instrument down, dragging it where it needs to be, and then lifting it up. High pressure at thick parts, low pressure at thin parts. I'm not saying what he does is wrong; it just doesn't seem worth it to me to try to trace something that resembles brush strokes with a fountain pen. In some ways it seems more troublesome than writing with a brush.

Well it is easier to control than a soft brush. My brush pen calligraphy is quite atrocious, so I won't mind cheating with something like this. Anyway he sort of exaggerated his movements in that particular video - he writes much faster here in the beginning (3.17 - 4.17) when he is explaining the difference between regular, semi-cursive and cursive.

But come to think of it, there are some stiff synthetic brushes that can probably do the job better and still be relatively easy to control.

[Renzhe]

I find this to be a more appropriate speed, even though he doesn't write as well.

[sotto2]

I find this to be a more appropriate speed, even though he doesn't write as well.

Nice, but too bad he/she isn't using a fountain pen.

[pingjun]

Greeting everyone.

 

Awesome. I didn't know that there is this thread until now. Thanks for sharing.