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Two Premium Browns: Tsukushi Vs Hazelnut Brown

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Poll: BROWNS (57 member(s) have cast votes)

And the winner is

  1. HAZELNUT BROWN, Graf von Faber-Castell (31 votes [54.39%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 54.39%

  2. TSUKUSHI, Pilot Iroshizuku (26 votes [45.61%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 45.61%

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#1 visvamitra

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:58

Brown is one of my favourite colors. I always have at least one fountain pen filled with brown ink.

 

I’d like to compare two premium brown inks that I own. It’s a pity I don’t have new Organic Brown ink by Caran d’Ache because it would suit well this comparison of premium inks. Anyway take a look at 

 

HAZELNUT BROWN - Graf Von Faber-Castell

 

 

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TSUKUSHI - Pilot Iroshizuku

 

 

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The colors of both inks were inspired by colors of nature:

 

Hazelnut Brown aims – quite well in my opinion – to reflect the color of hazelnuts:

 

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Tsukushi aims – not so well in my opinion – to reflect the color of field horse tail:

 

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First, let's take a look at the bottles:

 

HAZELNUT BROWN - Graf Von Faber-Castell

 

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TSUKUSHI - Pilot Iroshizuku

 

 

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COMPARED

 

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Next let's see how they behave on the paper:

 

 

1. Few drops of ink on kitchen towel 

 

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2. Text written with Pilot78G (B nib) in cheap notebook:

 

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3. Text written with Pilot78G (B nib) on copy paper printed with dots:

 

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Vertical lines = Hazelnut Brown, horizontal lines = Tsukushi

 

 

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Corners UL + BR = Hazelnut Brown, BL + UR = Tsukushi 

 

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Above - Hazelnut Brown, below - Tsukushi

 

4. Text written in quality notebook

 

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7. Waterproof or not

 

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SUMMARY: I like both of these inks, however id I had to choose only one I would choose Hazelnut Brown. It’s warmer and nicer.

  

BOTTLE: I don’t like GvFC bottle. It is, in a way, reminiscent of Iroshizuku bottle, yet I find it rather uglyJ On the other hand the cap used in GvFC is really solid, while the cap in Iroshizuku bottles is quite fragile. If one allows some ink to cake around the rim, and doesn’t use this ink for weeks, the opening of the bottle may be hard and risky. My Shin-ryoku cap cracked while I was trying to open it after a month of noy using the ink.

 

PRICE: I have problem with Pilot pricing politics. Look at Caran d’Ache and Graf von Faber Castell. They offer premium products that cost almost the same amount of money everywhere in the world. It’s OK and fair enough to me. When it comes to Pilot however the price point for Isroshizuku inks differ from region to another. In Japan you can buy a bottle for around 10-15 $. In usa you can have a bottle for 30 – 40 $. In my country – Poland – official MSRP is 55 $. Now, when it comes to GDP, Poland in not really close to Katar or Luxembourg or Monaco and I can find nothing that would justify this price point. Happily, as a Client, I have a choice and I can buy products anywhere in the world. That’s why I bought Iroshizuku bottle for 21,67 $ (shipment included) on Amazon.

 

I like both of these inks and I enjoy them a lot. Are they worth the price? I would say yes.

 

What’s your opinion?

 

 


Edited by visvamitra, 16 April 2014 - 11:59.


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 13:29

Thank you very much this excellent comparison! :thumbup:

I really like your photos!

For me they are both appealing. The warmer color of the Hazelnut is nice, but I also like the Tsukushi for it's somewhat paler color.
I think I'd go with the Iroshizuku if I had to choose....
As for me, I like the bottle of the GvFC, but the Iroshizuku's is just magic. I really need to get one now!!!
 


Edited by attika89, 16 April 2014 - 13:30.


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 18:45

Thanks for this informative review and comparison. Nice pictures as well!!
I voted for the Tsukushi. But if not for the ink, I would go for the gvf-c: very nice bottle (I will buy that one some time, but in cobalt blue).
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Posted 16 April 2014 - 20:26

Nice review! Hazelnut Brown is my favorite brown, followed closely by Toffee Brown (they're very similar, with the MB having a hint more red than the GvFC).

I have Yama Guri, and thought about the Tsukushi. It looks like it has almost a purplish red tone compared to the GvFC. Your review was very helpful.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 20:27

visvamitra, I'm SERIOUSLY loving your reviews . . .  :wub:

 

(sadly both browns are too "red" for my tastes  :( )



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 22:03

Thanks. I -- like you, I guess -- feel comfortable with the colours of both of these browns because browns are so hard to compare and if one is redder and the other greyer, then that means I need both.

BTW CdA is only less expensive if you're talking about their old 30-ml bottles. The new 50-ml CdA bottles are much more expensive than the Iroshis, and the old 30-ml CdA bottles are only sightly less expensive than the Iroshis:

 

 

List prices in Euros as of March 2014:

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Ink                   List Price    Bottle   Price/ml

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New Caran d'Ache      29.50         50 ml    0.59

Iroshizuku            24.90         50 ml    0.50

Old Caran d'Ache      13.95         30 ml    0.47

Pelikan Edelstein     14.50         50 ml    0.29

Herbin                 8.65         30 ml    0.29

Akkerman (60 ml)      15.00         60 ml    0.25

Montblanc (regulars)  13.00         60 ml    0.22

Waterman               7.50         50 ml    0.15

Pelikan 4001           4.15         30 ml    0.14

Parker Quink           6.00         57 ml    0.11

Akkerman (150 ml)     16.50        150 ml    0.11

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Personally, I find the GvFC bottles much better. IMO better built, better caps, better boxes, and by all means easier to open and close.

 

Mike


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 07:32

Hi Mike,

 

I don't fully agree with you when it comes to prices. I appreciate clear and consistent pricing policy of CdA and Graf - they products cost the same amount of money everywhere in the world. Pilot however is not that consistent. Prices of Iroshizuku are different in different regions. As I mentioned in my country - Poland - official distributor sells them for almost 55 $. They say thaey can't lower the price because it's Pilot Japan decision. So in Poland Iro is much more expensive than Caran d'Ache. I find this pricing politics irritating :) Happily I have a choice but then I would gladly pay my money to local retailers. Due to Pilot politics I won't do that.



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Posted 18 April 2014 - 09:09

Pilot inks are travelling a lot further to Poland than Caran D'Ache inks are, by either air or sea rather than road. How much are those Caran D'Ache inks in the USA? Or in Japan?!

Japan's exports generally seem to be of the higher priced / luxury / specialist goods. It's an expensive country to live in & manufacture in, so they wouldn't profit by churning out cheap goods for mass export.

I do agree that they're prohibitively priced, and I'm sure could charge less, but I can understand why there would be a premium on them.

Could you order them from Japan? There are a couple of Japanese sellers on Amazon who sell them for £12 - £16 or thereabouts.

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 09:23

@Inkysloth - the thing is CdA inks cost the same amount of money everywhere in the world (+/- 10 %). Pilot inks cost x in one country and 400 % more in another country. That's the problem.



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Posted 20 April 2014 - 01:12

+1 on the comment about fragile Iroshizuku caps.  my first bottle, I could not open the cap.  So I followed usual drill for such events, got out the nut crackers...uh,oh...no cap.  Fortunately I had a wine bottle cork which fit snugly and nicely , actually looks more appropriate.  I should take a picture of it and post it on forum.  

I have a bottle of the Iroshi brown on order, thinking to use it in my 1940 Parker Vacumatic Maxima, which is golden pearl, which looks brown to me...


Edited by Ed333, 20 April 2014 - 01:14.


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 06:29

I prefer Iro's color over GVFC, but I am having problems with the caps on Pilot bottles, very fragile as some of you have pointed out. The bottle seems to be much more robust in GVFC, but....I don't buy inks because of the bottle, at least not yet...

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 22:52

Great review! Another Yama Guri fan here who'll now also be looking at Faber Castel as it looks more red than purple...


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Posted 22 May 2014 - 03:22

The Hazelnut is too reddish for  me, so Tsukushi wins.



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Posted 22 May 2014 - 05:12

Really informative review. I especially appreciate your juxtaposition of the two colors. That nicely illustrates the contrasts between the two inks. Your perspective on the packaging is also uniquely informative.

 

I don't pretend to understand the pricing policies; too many unknowns.  The Pilot inks are very expensive, even on "discount" sites like Amazon. Some colors are seemingly unique and ink lasts me a long time. I'm prepared to spend the relatively small additional cost for something "different" that also performs well. However, in this case, the Hazelnut wins the aesthetics test for me!

 

Thanks again for the excellent reviews!

 

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 16:02

I love reddish-browns rather than black-browns. I just have more fun using them. As for prices of ink, I find that I am restricted to buying inks from Europe, its a shame but I have a cat to feed.

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 22:23

Thanks for a fabulous review. I was considering either Tsukushi or Yama-guri . . . and now you had to introduce yet another option into the mix! Your multiple side-by-side images are extremely helpful.

 

I agree with you about the pricing disparities in different regions.



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Posted 16 October 2014 - 23:38

Great comparison!  If you really want to see the difference...put them in the sun for about a month.


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Posted 17 October 2014 - 19:25

I too love your reviews. The splash of color with variants across the ink's spectrum is artwork, to be sure. I'm just noticing today, however, how much the splash really doesn't say about how the ink looks after going down with a pen.

 

In comparison, the writing samples are not nearly so disparate as the splashes. Thank you for providing those writing samples as they are the true revealer.

 

If I were an artist I would be able to use the great complexity in some of these great inks!!



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Posted 25 October 2014 - 13:15

Thanks. I -- like you, I guess -- feel comfortable with the colours of both of these browns because browns are so hard to compare and if one is redder and the other greyer, then that means I need both.

BTW CdA is only less expensive if you're talking about their old 30-ml bottles. The new 50-ml CdA bottles are much more expensive than the Iroshis, and the old 30-ml CdA bottles are only sightly less expensive than the Iroshis:

 

 

List prices in Euros as of March 2014:

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Ink                   List Price    Bottle   Price/ml

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New Caran d'Ache      29.50         50 ml    0.59

Iroshizuku            24.90         50 ml    0.50

Old Caran d'Ache      13.95         30 ml    0.47

Pelikan Edelstein     14.50         50 ml    0.29

Herbin                 8.65         30 ml    0.29

Akkerman (60 ml)      15.00         60 ml    0.25

Montblanc (regulars)  13.00         60 ml    0.22

Waterman               7.50         50 ml    0.15

Pelikan 4001           4.15         30 ml    0.14

Parker Quink           6.00         57 ml    0.11

Akkerman (150 ml)     16.50        150 ml    0.11

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Personally, I find the GvFC bottles much better. IMO better built, better caps, better boxes, and by all means easier to open and close.

 

Mike

 

Wouldn't the Rohrer & Klingner inks be an ever better deal per ml in Germany?  Perhaps the best cost per ml of anything on the list.



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Posted 25 October 2014 - 20:53

Sorry, here's the latest list (which I have).... List prices in Euros as of April 2014:

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Ink                   List Price    Bottle   Price/ml

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Caran d'Ache (new)    29.50         50 ml    0.59

Iroshizuku            24.90         50 ml    0.50

Caran d'Ache (old)    13.95         30 ml    0.47

Graf von F-C (new)    25.00         75 ml    0.33

Pelikan Edelstein     14.50         50 ml    0.29

Herbin                 8.65         30 ml    0.29

Akkerman (60 ml)      15.00         60 ml    0.25

Montblanc (regulars)  13.00         60 ml    0.22

Waterman               7.50         50 ml    0.15

Pelikan 4001           4.15         30 ml    0.14

Rohrer & Klingner      6.50         50 ml    0.13

Parker Quink           6.00         57 ml    0.11

Akkerman (150 ml)     16.50        150 ml    0.11

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Whatever, R&Ks still do belong to the least expensive German ink goodies....

 

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