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Help Me Identify These Pens Please. Newbie Here!

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#1 submethod

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Posted 21 March 2014 - 04:12

Hey there,

 

Totally new here so please excuse me if I already broke a rule!

 

I was cleaning out my attic the other day and found a few pens that appear to be pretty old. Can anyone help me identify them and possibly their worth. They are very nice and hardly used. I want to start using them. One is Waterman the other a Cross. There are a few more and I will post them later. I know we got a hold of the Waterman back in 1992, the cross might be older.

 

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#2 Betweenthelines

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Posted 21 March 2014 - 04:38

I believe the Waterman is a Waterman Laureat.  Not sure about the Cross, but wow is it sexy!   :drool:



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 04:42

On second thought, I think I'm wrong, judging by the ring style on the Waterman.  Don't worry - others on this board will inform you shortly.  I will say with confidence though - VERY nice finds!  



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 04:55

OK - third tries a charm.

 

From this helpful pdf: http://www.artcurial...f/2010/1876.pdf

 

I would guess your Waterman is either a Man 100, Man 200, or Man 100 Opera.



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 04:55

Thank you so much! I know I have more stored away here. Monteblancs and such. Just have to keep digging.



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 04:57

Man 100? Hmmm...I think that's what it says on the one end of the box.



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 04:59

Oh.. Ha!  I didn't even notice that on the sticker.  Don't think I was meant to be a detective.. or maybe it's the wine!  Yes I'd say it's a Man 100 ;)



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 05:05

So I am not very good with this sort of thing. Does it matter that it is from the early 90s? Are they still made? Is it worth anything? I would love to use it but dont want to ruin it.

Thanks again!



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 05:06

The Cross pen appears to be a Townsend with a steel nib. I own a few Townsends and find them extremely pleasant to write with. Congratulations on your pen find. If you're beginning this effort at digging up the past with a Man 100 and a Townsend, we look forward to even more good news.



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 05:21

So I am not very good with this sort of thing. Does it matter that it is from the early 90s? Are they still made? Is it worth anything? I would love to use it but dont want to ruin it.
Thanks again!


I'll tell you what, I'll give you what it says on the waterman price label :). The Townsend is worth approx 1/3-1/4 the value of the waterman.
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Posted 21 March 2014 - 05:22

@lahlahlaw - LOL Just that comment alone lends me to believe it's worth more than that.

@Jerome - Sweet. I love the look of the Cross!



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 05:23

Waterman Man 100 Extra Fine nib (EF) as per side of box. Cross Townsend, Medium nib (M) Chrome finish.

 

Funny thing is Standard Brands used to be paint and home decorating stores in Southern California in the 60's. 


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Posted 21 March 2014 - 05:24

submethod,

 

you will not ruin it by using it. A Man (they are called actually Le Man) from '91 is as functional now as it was then. (I have one from the same era -- I think '89 or '90, and I still use it.) Just put ink in it (cartridge or converter) and it will write. As far as its worth, if you choose to sell it you will probably be successful, though I have not priced a Le Man lately; I doubt you'll get more than a hundred for it. I wouldn't sell it; the nib is the Waterman Ideal and worth more than the pen itself. A splendid writer.


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Posted 21 March 2014 - 05:27

on second looking, submethod, at the link posted by Betweenthelines, the Man (there it is called simply Man) is being offered for about 600 euros. Perhaps it is more collectible than I thought.


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Posted 21 March 2014 - 05:52

Thank you so much for the input gang. I do not plan to sell at the moment because they are sentimental to me. I know I have a few more boxes and I will showcase what I find. I personally do not collect pens. I collect artwork. Then again, these pens have peek my interest a little. What I do know I have is a Montblanc somewhere in here that is a 1991 Meisterstuck fountain pen. It was super fat and was cumbersome to hold. If I find it, Ill post it.

 

600 Euros? Wow, that's almost 1200 USD!



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 05:57

I'm almost certain the Waterman is a Le Man 100. There's a chance it's a Man 200.  With some nib versions it's hard to tell without seeing the feed or cap button.  See this wonderful site.  The quick way to tell is that the Man 1 has a finned feed and the Man 2 a smooth one.  Le Man 200 is about 10% smaller in all dimensions.

The gloss black is the basic version.  You can check ebay sold prices, or a couple of the more elaborate versions sold recently here on FPN.



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 06:29

I think its a Waterman 200. Based on the pics off the site you referred esteroids.

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The 100s nib is a touch different with a circle right at the end of the nib. Mine does not have that.



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 06:34

There were several cosmetic variations on the nibs.  Go by the feed style - finned or smooth



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 06:35

Here is another one we found. The cap has the title IMPERIAL

The Nib says "Warranted 14K No.4"

 

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Posted 21 March 2014 - 09:41

Someone had very good taste in pens.

€600=$900 + or -

The Cross could be NOS...New Old Stock....never used old pen....if it's not been inked. The seal and stuff like that jack the price.

 

Yes a MB 149 is a Oversized pen; that you have to grow into.

 

An Warranted  nib can be a nib with some flex,,,or not. It just means it is 14 K nib...I don't know the brand Imperial...It is probably a 'third tier' pen.....off the top of my head, late '30's or just after the war was over.....A very pretty pen.

 

About the Imperial. Some pen companies made sub brands...some made pens for others. Some were just small companies.

Wearever was once the largest pen company in the world....made some good second tier pens in it's own brand...third tier too for them selves and others ...and made many pens for any company or store that wanted them. That pen is a piece of Art Work.

 

It is so old it will need a new Rubber Sac....a good rubber sac only lasted 30-40-60 years.

I had an Esterbrook I could date, whose sac lasted 62 years.

Getting a new sac put in is relatively cheap...and the pen deserves to be 'restored' for use.

I just bring that up in Wearever made many pens with out their name on it....On second thought it don't quite look like the Wearevers I had.

Some one with more knowledge; might be able to name that pen.


Edited by Bo Bo Olson, 21 March 2014 - 09:41.

German vintage '50-70 semi-flex stubs and those in oblique give the real thing in On Demand line variation. Modern Oblique is a waste of money for a shadow of line variation. Being too lazy to Hunt for affordable vintage oblique pens, lets you 'hunt' for line variation instead of having it.

www.nibs.com/blog/nibster-writes/nibs-germany & https://www.peter-bo...cts/nib-systems,

 

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