I came across these two on appleboom.
so basically after removing vat(21%) for non EU members like me, and another 25% off(their special anniversary promotion using the code: congrats ) and with free wordwide shipping ...the Edson costs 350 euros and the patrician 180 euros.
I wish I hadn't blown my pen budget on a gvfc gold anello but dennis (la courrone du comte) offered me a good price.
anyways a good deal to had for those who have the money.
not affiliated to either stores.