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Buying A Twsbi... But Which One? 580, 700, ?!?!

twsbi diamond 580 vac 700 rose gold better pen

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#1 stoof2010

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 22:05

So ive decided i want to add a twsbi to my collection. Ive done all the research i can on the models but still undecided...
I like the diamond 580 in rose gold and the vac 700, so its between those two...
What are your thoughts? They are both the dame price.
I havent been able to find a dealer that sells the rose gold nib units though...
I dont have any vac fillers and the only piston fillers i have are noodlers.
-Stefan


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#2 scbarber

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 22:22

This is a tough call, as both pens are wonderful writers. The differences between the two pens are not major but it is worth pointing out that the 700 has a larger ink capacity, and has a shut-off valve, which means you will have to unscrew the knob on the back of the pen prior to any long writing session. It also means the pen should be less prone to leaks and might even be safe to fly with. The 700 is also longer than the 580 and while the 580 has facets the 700 is mostly cylindrical. Mind you, I don't really notice a difference in hand, so it may not be a big deal.

 

If I had to choose between the two I would pick the 700 simply because it is a vacuum filler, and it is fun to fill. Either way, I'm sure you will enjoy your pen!



#3 mikehodgman

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 22:43

Both!  You'll end up with both before long anyway :)

 

They are both great pens, but I would say the 580 is a less risky buy.  Some people are not crazy about the look of the 700 and the steep step from the barrel to the grip.  I think the pen is very, very comfortable to use though. 



#4 stoof2010

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 00:31

Sweet. I want to buy both lol.
But i have to start with one.
With the rose gold the 580 is only 5 dollars different from the 700, and the different look seems more appealing even than the regular 580. Bit in all the videos ive seen the rose gold looks like regular gold. Shouldnt it have a red tint being rose? ...
Obviously, either one i pick ill get the accompanying ink pot.
Maybe i should hold off and just buy both....
-Stefan


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#5 stoof2010

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 00:53

Thabk you for all the advice. I bought both. The 580 not rose gold and the 700.
Both are great!!!
-Stefan


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 15:53

I got a rose gold 580, and I'm also thinking about getting a Vac 700~!!

Vac 700's filling system looks so cool~

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#7 stoof2010

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 23:29

I got a rose gold 580, and I'm also thinking about getting a Vac 700~!!
Vac 700's filling system looks so cool~
:thumbup:

Im still thinking of getting the rose gold too, just worried about what ive read about issues with the rose gold plating. Does it write well? What nib size?
All mine are medium and my 580 is really wet.
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Posted 23 February 2014 - 23:46

Some people (including me!) find the shut-off valve on the Vac 700 to be a nuisance. However it's worth pointing out that it is a 2 minute job to take the pen apart with the supplied wrench and pop off the relevant O-ring.

Order the pen with a broad nib and you can have it reground later if you wish. Mine now has a Sorwoka cursive stub and is just sublime!

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 00:06

Some people (including me!) find the shut-off valve on the Vac 700 to be a nuisance. However it's worth pointing out that it is a 2 minute job to take the pen apart with the supplied wrench and pop off the relevant O-ring.Order the pen with a broad nib and you can have it reground later if you wish. Mine now has a Sorwoka cursive stub and is just sublime!


Would the nib grinding cost as much as the pen itself?!
-Stefan


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 01:45

Im still thinking of getting the rose gold too, just worried about what ive read about issues with the rose gold plating. Does it write well? What nib size?
All mine are medium and my 580 is really wet.

The rose gold plating is just a decoration that makes the pen looks elegant.

I got an EF nib, because I write Chinese characters very often (I'll use a cursive nib for English writing).

The EF nib writes a little scratchy. If you get a M or B nib, it will be very smooth.

I've been using the rose gold 580 for about 2 months and nothing wrong with it. It's my everyday carry pen.



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Posted 24 February 2014 - 17:56

Would the nib grinding cost as much as the pen itself?!

 

About half as much as the cost of the pen. To me it was worth it!



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 01:25

About half as much as the cost of the pen. To me it was worth it!


O ok. I dont even kbiw where to begin for nib grinding. I know mr. Binder does it but its more and ive heard it can take a very long time until you get it back....
-Stefan


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 04:21

I came here hoping for information to help me decide between the two (VAC 700 or 580) and hmmm, looks like I might need to get both.   B)



#14 Christopher Godfrey

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 19:15

<Would the nib grinding cost as much as the pen itself?>

 

That depends on what exactly you mean by "grinding"?  If all you want is some smoothing, then go and read the pages on Richard Binder's website and he tells you just how to do it (it's so simple -- he gave us locals a workshop on the subject, a few months ago)

 

If you want a radical re-working, then you need someone like John Mottishaw or Mike Matsuyama (Have I got his name right?  He is "Mikeitwork" or similar)  I doubt Mr. Binder will accept work on a pen that he has not himself sold -- he's too busy, I understand, nowadays. 

 

Good luck!



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 21:30

I'd go with the 580.  I found myself in the same boat not too long ago and did a lot of reading and in the end I couldn't find a compelling reason to go with the vac myself.



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 21:58

O ok. I dont even kbiw where to begin for nib grinding. I know mr. Binder does it but its more and ive heard it can take a very long time until you get it back....

 

Richard Binder doesn't accept outside pens for regrinds, anymore.  If you buy a pen from him, he'll do a regrind for you when you buy it and it is part of the purchasing process and you don't wait 6 months to get your pen, just the time for the regrind (which is the day you buy it, basically).

 

John Mottishaw, accepts outside pens for regrind, and the 6 month wait is there.  But, he also sells pens and will do a regrind on a pen you purchase from him at the time of purchase, again with no wait.

 

There are a couple of other very good nibmeisters out there who accept outside pens and not too long a wait.  Michael Masuyama of Mike it Work, Greg Minuskin, Pendelton Brown, and some others.  I personally cannot see having a regrind done on the TWSBI, I wouldn't find it cost effective - unless I just really liked the TWSBI and wanted to swap nib options now and again.  Never say, "never."


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 15:45

I had the same problem about choosing which one to be some time ago... As much of us may have guessed I ended up with both! (and both are good writers)



#18 stoof2010

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 00:57

Just an update....
So i fot both in a medium. But the 580 writes so wet its like a firehose.... i ordered a fine nib for it as well as a rose gold 580 in fine.... not sure whats up with the medium but its way too wet... dont think its supposed to be that wet.
Package with the RG came today, but im at work so ill have to wait....
But if u have any sugvestions on how to fix the uber-wet 580 medium, im all ears!!!
-Stefan


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