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#1 nectarmk

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 12:30

Just discovered the world of iron gall inks and I like it. I need waterproof black (or very dark) ink on occasions and though I have used Noodler's bulletproof and De Atramentis among others, nothing beats iron gall ink for character.

 

The problem of course is the flow.

 

I use it with a Lamy Studio pen. The first few pages were brilliant. The following less so. I think this ink needs a very wet pen - and a pen resistant to clogging. Maybe an older pen. Would you have any suggestion for a suitable pen?  (Also not expensive pen as I would not dare using iron gall ink with my Pelikans or Omas!)



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Posted 10 December 2013 - 12:43

R&K Salix works just fine in my M800, and an OB nib really brings out the shading  :happyberet:

 

Of course the beauty of the Pelikans is that you can pop out the entire nib unit for thorough cleaning.



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Posted 10 December 2013 - 14:42

I have used Chesterfield Archival Vault ink, which is supposed to be rebottled Diamine Registrars ink, and R&K Salix successfully in my Parker "15" and it isn't a particularly wet writer. So there is some other characteristic of a pen, perhaps the design of the feed, that determines how well it works with Iron Gall inks.

 

That said, I am also looking for the correct pen/ink combo for another iron gall I have,  Organics Studio Aristotle. Like you, I'm thinking a wet writer, perhaps one of my ebonite feed eyedroppers. 


Edited by doggonecarl, 10 December 2013 - 15:12.


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Posted 10 December 2013 - 15:08

Of course the beauty of the Pelikans is that you can pop out the entire nib unit for thorough cleaning.

 

Well spotted! - I need to try one of my cheaper Pelikans and see the result.

 

 

I have used Chesterfield Archival Vault ink, which is supposed to be rebottled Diamine Registrars ink, and R&K Salix successfully in my Parker "15" and it isn't a particularly wet writer. So there is some other characteristic of a pen, perhaps the design of the feed, that determines how well it works with Iron Gall inks.

 

That said, I am also looking for the correct pen/ink combo for another iron gall I have,  Organics Studio Ink Aristotle. Like you, I'm thinking a wet writer, perhaps one of my ebonite feed eyedroppers. 

 

Maybe a vintage pen might suit better - I only have a vintage Duofold bought on eBay a few years ago - it was in perfect condition, wrote very badly (as it was extremely wet) and only cost a about £20 - I am sure it is a fake! - but no harm trying it with iron gall ink.



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Posted 10 December 2013 - 15:48

Hi,

 

While I would like to enable acquisition of your next pen, in this case I'll suggest altering the ink by adding a bit of surfactant, such as the archival / benign wetting agents for B&W photo film. e.g. Kodak Photo-Flo, Ilford Ilfotol.

 

For a proof of concept, you might try a miniscule amount of washing up liquid / detergent for hand washing plates, cutlery, etc.

  • An amount such as the head of a pin into 2 - 4ml of 'guinea pig' DRI, then gentle mixing.
  • As the detergent has some ingredients that might not play nice with all the components of your pen, I'd not let it sit for too long. Then again, the Lamy is a modern pen, (w/o shellac, etc.) so should be OK as a test bed.
  • If the ink is too wet, add just a bit of water to lower the %age of surfactant but not so much the ink becomes too pale.
  • As such detergent often leaves a residue (for a streak-free finish on glass) some extra flushes at clean-up time is a good idea.

 

We have other Topics on such inky modifications, so 'Kodak' or 'Photo' are likely searchwords.

 

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Edited by Sandy1, 10 December 2013 - 16:34.

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 22:33

Wow - I can be a small scientist in my quest for the perfect ink - this is fascinating!



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Posted 10 December 2013 - 23:36

I have a Parker Vector that is something of a firehose, even though it has an F nib.  Just perfect for dry inks like iron galls.  And being a c/c pen I know that I can do a good job of cleaning it really well if I switch to a non-IG ink.

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 23:48

I recently had to visit the Registrar's in central Manchester. I was given a Parker Frontier to sign documentation with.

That was a cheap Parker, so any pen should be able to cope with Registrar's ink.


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:01

I have had nonstop flow problems with my Pilot and Galileo Brown. I switched to an iron gall ink (ESS) and it has been problem-free. I would have thought just the opposite would be true.

The bottom line? These things may be hard to predict. I have to judge them on a trial basis. For me, the Pilot + EES seems to be a great marriage.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:10

Parker Vectors are well known to work awesome with iron gall inks.  I have several designated Vectors for the various iron gall inks out there.


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 08:24

I've had the most success with ESSRI in a Conway Stewart Montague. So, that's where it resides! Salix in a Pelikan M600 and Scabiosa in a CS 58 - last 'new' batch and a cc filler. With flushes every couple of fills, I've had no problems.


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 11:00

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(Pelikan 100N - EF ..... Rohrer & Klingner Scabiosa)

(Noodler´s Ahab EMF ..... Rohrer & Klingner Salix)

(Pelikan 140 - OF ..... Montblanc Midnight Blue (IG))

(Pelikan Signum P5xx - EF ..... ESS Registrars Blue/Black)

(Mabie Todd Swan 4660 Leverless ..... ESS Registrars Blue/Black)


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