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#1 Lawrence

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 05:23

Hi all,

I currently own a pelikan M400 and a vintage Pelikan 100. The 400 is equipped with a cursive italic medium nib from Richard and the 100 is with the original M nib.

I like the cusrive italic nib. It produces nice line variation. But I need to sign quite often. 10 signatures a day in average. I want some pen product thicker and wetter line for signature. So I may need to go to B or BB. May I have some suggestion from you on which particular pen u should not overlook?

I am also tempted to try flexible nib but really have no idea whether it will fit my daily usage purpose.

As for pen appearance, I am always a tradition and classic guy who previous sutle beauty and elegant dimension. So, no oversize or loud design. The pelikan 100 is my ideal dimension and design. I also found the MB 146 appearing to me too. But I'm open to any other brands that fit my requirement.

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#2 Lawrence

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 05:30

To add I the above, I lean to shorter and thicker pen like the pelikan 100. If I go for MB, should I choose the vintage 146 instead of the modern 146? Sorry I'm not so familiar with MB.

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Posted 10 December 2013 - 07:03

Aurora optima with Italic nib. 

 

Sailor pro gear with music nib or a custom grind

 

146 is a medium-large pen more like an m800.



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Posted 10 December 2013 - 23:13

Thanks parnesh. I searched the image of the sailor pro gear and it looks nice!

Is the music nib available in pen shop or need special order?

Great full if anyone can share ideas of other options.

Thanks

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 00:33

The music nib is a standard nib I believe but not everyone will carry one. Sailor makes a lot of speciality nibs so look into those as well.

 

However the price starts to climb significantly.

 

Another alternative, is you like the style, is a nakaya picolo. Probably a bit larger than you might like but definately fat.

 

http://www.nibs.com/...iccoloPage.html

 

Edit: If you like the Piccolo, Edison Pen company makes the pearl whihc is of a similar size but without the 6-12 month waiting period.

 

As usual no affil.


Edited by parnesh, 11 December 2013 - 00:35.


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 01:03

Esterbrook with a signature nib. Done, annnnd done
Signature left blank per new rules...

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 17:51

Lawrence

 

As you already have a couple of Pelikan writing instruments, go for their flagship model, the Souveran M1000.

It's a big bugger and an ideal Signature pen, which has a choice of several B type nibs.

 

If that's too big, scale down to the Souveran M800 or M600 sizes. 

 

Jason


Edited by Vendome, 11 December 2013 - 17:53.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 18:11

Jinhao 159 B nib .... $ 10 !! (MB 149 hommage pen and BIG)



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 19:52

You do not mention how your Pelikan 100 works out for you. My vintage Pelikan 100N has a semi-flex Medium nib that is great for signatures!  :thumbup:



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 21:14

Esterbrook with a signature nib. Done, annnnd done

Intriguing! Which nib is that?



#11 Bo Bo Olson

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 22:05

My 100N has a 14 Karat  K(R-oblique) 'easy full flex' nib.

:headsmack: I'd been under the impression that all the 100-100N's had nibs with some to much flex like mine.

 

I then bought a 100-100N CN nib, it was vintage regular flex springy...very similar to my '90-98 M400.

A very nice nib, but not semi-flex, 'flexi', or Easy Full flex, and I'd expected the latter two for that 100-100N CN nib.

 

Unfortunately to understand what flex your 100N's nib may be, one normally needs a semi-flex nib from some one, as a key to the above regular flex flexes.

 

A semi-flex can with a bit of pressure and if one has learned 4-6 of the basic strokes of stiff nib italic calligraphy, be a signature nib.

A 'flexi'/maxi-semi-flex will do that with very little pressure, if one knows a few of the basic italic calligraphy strokes...that makes a few letters real fancy.

 

I don't think you are going to take the time to learn the basic 4-6 fancy strokes you can steal from stiff italic calligraphy.

 

 

You must check how much flex your 100N's nib is giving you.

 

Have you experience with a semi-flex (140) or a 'flexi'/maxi-semi-flex nib (400NN)?

 

That makes it much easier to find out what flex your 100N's nib has.

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Many of the 200 steel nibs are as springy as a '90's M400 or Celebry regular flex.

If your 100N nib is the same when mashed it is regular flex. 3X a light down stroke...

If it needs half as much pressure it is semi-flex.

1/4th is 'flexi'.

)Well....A modern 400 is not a base....it is half a flex too stiff....more a medium stiff regular ..half way to nail flex (like a P-75) than a true springy regular flex, pre '98.

 

I'm sure you would have noticed if the 100N of yours was 'flexi' much less easy full flex, the next step down...1/8th the pressure needed to spread the tines on a regular flex nib.

 

Mash your 100N's nib once, comparing it with a regular flex nibbed pen, you may be lucky; and have a semi-flex nib. Semi-flex gives you some natural flare with out doing anything fancy...and allows a fancy stroke or two.

Don't make it a habit of always mashing a nib...they spring.

Read Richard Binder's article on his com about that.


German vintage '50-70 semi-flex stubs and those in oblique give the real thing in On Demand line variation. Modern Oblique is a waste of money for a shadow of line variation. Being too lazy to Hunt for affordable vintage oblique pens, lets you 'hunt' for line variation instead of having it.

www.nibs.com/blog/nibster-writes/nibs-germany & https://www.peter-bo...cts/nib-systems,

 

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 22:16

Hi Lawrence,

 

I sign a lot of documents every day (invoices, certificates, customs documents, commercial agreements) - sometimes 10 copies of the same document (personal record is 13 copies).

 

I use a Lamy Safari with 1.1 nib or sometimes a 1.5.

 

Not the best looking pen you can buy, but reliable, affordable, replaceable.

 

Take care,

 

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 22:37

MB Broad and broader nibs have stubbish qualities.  Great for signatures.  



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 00:36

If you really love your Pelikan M100 instead of getting a new pen you could get a second nib unit for the pen.

 

One of the great things about Pelikan fountain pens is that the nibs just screw out and you can screw in another of a different size.

 

Richard Binder (no affiliation) at richardspens.com sells B, BB and OBB nibs that would fit your pen, which would make nice signature nibs.


Edited by Florida Blue, 12 December 2013 - 00:41.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:05

MB Broad and broader nibs have stubbish qualities.  Great for signatures.  

 

+ 1. Top choice by far.

 

The Pilot Music (more line variation) or Cosu (rounded) nib would be my second choice, which I much prefer to Sailor or Pelikan nibs. These won't let you down. Right out of the box, it is wonderfully smooth and extremely reliable. On the Custom 74, it would run you around USD100 - superb value considering the nib quality! This is a smaller pen than the Montblanc 146 and closer to the Pelikan 100 in dimensions. Barrel diameter should be roughly the same.  

 

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:34

100-100N will not fit modern nibs from Binder.

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Can get other more flexible and or more flexible nibs with oblique.

Check Penboard.de....not cheap.


German vintage '50-70 semi-flex stubs and those in oblique give the real thing in On Demand line variation. Modern Oblique is a waste of money for a shadow of line variation. Being too lazy to Hunt for affordable vintage oblique pens, lets you 'hunt' for line variation instead of having it.

www.nibs.com/blog/nibster-writes/nibs-germany & https://www.peter-bo...cts/nib-systems,

 

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 13:12

Not sure if you are just estimating the price or you know it for sure... Where can I find the Blue Custom 74 for 100 USD? I would be really interested!


+ 1. Top choice by far.
 
The Pilot Music (more line variation) or Cosu (rounded) nib would be my second choice, which I much prefer to Sailor or Pelikan nibs. These won't let you down. Right out of the box, it is wonderfully smooth and extremely reliable. On the Custom 74, it would run you around USD100 - superb value considering the nib quality! This is a smaller pen than the Montblanc 146 and closer to the Pelikan 100 in dimensions. Barrel diameter should be roughly the same.  
 
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Posted 12 December 2013 - 14:20

Not sure if you are just estimating the price or you know it for sure... Where can I find the Blue Custom 74 for 100 USD? I would be really interested!

 

 

Of course I do. eBay, $85.50 plus shipping. 



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 00:52

100-100N will not fit modern nibs from Binder.

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Can get other more flexible and or more flexible nibs with oblique.

Check Penboard.de....not cheap.

 

I assumed (maybe wrongly) that is was a more modern M100.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:21

OP specified vintage.





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