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St Dupont Ballpoint Authenticity- Please Help

st dupont ballpoint olympio authenticity fake genuine query

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#1 katiek8

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 01:39

Hi, 

 

I realise this forum is for fountain pens. But can't find details on a ballpoint and thought someone here may know about it- or point me to somewhere where I can read more.

 

I'm giving a S.T. Dupont Olympio Ballpoint as a gift, as I can't afford a new one I've opted for a second hand one. 

 

I believed that S.T. Dupont wasn't the sort of brand that attracted counterfeiters, however after doing some research I've become concerned. 

 

Are fake ballpoints common? Is there anyway to detect one? Should the leaf logo be etched on to the lacquer as in the case of the fountain pen?

 

A few ads have said that the pen has the leaf logo- but show no pictures of it and all seem to be using the same text- including serial number and typo. So I'm not giving them much weight.

 

I read on another forum thread that an article has been written about ST Dupont authenticity- but I can't get the link to work.

 

I have attached some photos. 

 

Thank you (in advance) for taking the time to consider this,

 

Katie

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 03:13

There are several different pens included in your pictures, some of which look to be pencils.

 

Unfortunately ST Dupont ball points are quite commonly faked.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 03:22

Thanks for that Jar. :) I've seen you on the other threads and appreciate your input.

One has the mechanical pencil inserted. Apparently you can swap between ink and pencil with these models.

These photos are from two listings, crossing fingers that one could be real, as I can't really afford more than $150-200 aud.

I immediately wrote off the brand-new-with-papers at this price. But hoped as one is without box and the other's box is damaged + fitted as a pencil that it could be possible.

Just so hard to find info as to how the models should look or for telltale counterfeit signs.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 15:51

Thanks for that Jar. :) I've seen you on the other threads and appreciate your input.

One has the mechanical pencil inserted. Apparently you can swap between ink and pencil with these models.

These photos are from two listings, crossing fingers that one could be real, as I can't really afford more than $150-200 aud.

I immediately wrote off the brand-new-with-papers at this price. But hoped as one is without box and the other's box is damaged + fitted as a pencil that it could be possible.

Just so hard to find info as to how the models should look or for telltale counterfeit signs.

Unfortunately such signs are almost impossible to see unless you have two samples, one real, one fake, side by side in real life.  The things to look for are also usually not where it is easy to spot.  On a real ST Dupont those parts and places that don't show are finished to the same high standard as the parts that do show.  Look at the underside of the nib, inside of bodies, underside of clip, the feel when capping a fountain pen or roller ball, operating the pencil or ballpoint; they should all feel as though the motions are guided, like docking using tractor beams.

 

Other signs would be an 18K nib on a pen that should have a 14k nib or even nibs that hold a magnet.

 

And even I have been fooled at times.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 23:47

Thanks Jar,
I think I'll settle for a cheaper one in the range from a reputable supplier. The ebay ones are still around $200- so not worth the risk. I'll get a Defi or a Elysee and save the Olympio for later; maybe in the fountain pen model :)
Thanks for your help.





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