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I would be interested in any opinions related to the use of Delta's fusion nibs and the claim that the two metals used creates a slight degree of heat, thereby improving ink flow. Thanks in advance for your replies.

 

 

Hi there, I just fell upon this funny claim on a German website, but from what I grabbed, is that Delta (or whoever created this hoax) explains, that there is steel with a low heat conduction and gold with a high heat conduction. and the difference somehow creates a Fusion nib with superior inkflow. never heard of that.

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Hi there, I just fell upon this funny claim on a German website, but from what I grabbed, is that Delta (or whoever created this hoax) explains, that there is steel with a low heat conduction and gold with a high heat conduction. and the difference somehow creates a Fusion nib with superior inkflow. never heard of that.

Hi Tom

 

That's what they claim. There also might be an electric current (red-ox reactions, like a battery) coming into the equation. Or it's Alchemy. Or humbug. I don't know, but I like my nib.

 

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I think it's just a way to save money on the gold weight of the nib, especially with gold being at $1300 per ounce!

Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

 

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Trtied one but aside being smooth, it didn't offer flex nor line variation, gold nibs are better

Pens are like watches , once you start a collection, you can hardly go back. And pens like all fine luxury items do improve with time

 

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Trtied one but aside being smooth, it didn't offer flex nor line variation, gold nibs are better

 

I'm under the impression ( but I might be wrong) that this nib is stiff not despite, but because of the 18k golden nib.What doesn't really do for me is the flow, which I find too generous ( on cheaper paper it'll bleed through).

Aesthetically I like it a lot, a good compromise between cost and looks.

About the chemical properties, it is definitely not my field, so no idea :)

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Stiff b/c it's a steel nib. I doubt it would be any softer without the gold bit. The steel nibs I use are nice and stiff and they don't have gold bits on them.

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I think Delta's fusion nibs ranks right up there with the mythical "precious resin."

 

I agree with several of the posts that the fusion nib is just a marketing ploy by Delta to charge $300-$400 for a pen which looks like it has a gold nib but is actually just a cheaper steel nib with a thin gold mask.

 

The brown and purple resin versions look beautiful and the plastic seems high quality, but I am put off by the feeling that Delta is cheating or tricking their customers to save on costs.

 

It reminds me of the 3rd tier pen makers from the 1920s/30s that would gold plate nibs and stamp them with "warranted 14kt gold plate."

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I think Delta's fusion nibs ranks right up there with the mythical "precious resin."

 

I agree with several of the posts that the fusion nib is just a marketing ploy by Delta to charge $300-$400 for a pen which looks like it has a gold nib but is actually just a cheaper steel nib with a thin gold mask.

 

The brown and purple resin versions look beautiful and the plastic seems high quality, but I am put off by the feeling that Delta is cheating or tricking their customers to save on costs.

 

It reminds me of the 3rd tier pen makers from the 1920s/30s that would gold plate nibs and stamp them with "warranted 14kt gold plate."

 

And the really sneaky ones would put each word on a seperate line, like so:

 

Warranted

14K

Gold

Plate

 

Then set the nib deep enough that the "plate" would be hidden in the section.

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And the really sneaky ones would put each word on a seperate line, like so:

 

Warranted

14K

Gold

Plate

 

Then set the nib deep enough that the "plate" would be hidden in the section.

:D Yes, I'm very familiar with those type of pens lol. Unfortunately, Delta's "Fusion" nibs are too close of a reminder of those types of marketing schemes for me, which is a shame because they seem like nice pens otherwise.

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I got one because I thought it was a very attractive pen, but found the nib a bit scratchy and squeaky. I was able to tune it up a bit, but still was a bit disappointed overall with the Fusion's performance.

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I have seen many positive reactions on this stub. I have one myself on the Hippocratica and I like it very much, straight out of the box.

 

 

About the gold-metal bonding, I guess there could be an electrical current, because of redox-reactions. But that was a long time ago at school for me, and know Gold to be very stable, I can't predict the exact reaction.

 

D.ick

Any current created by 2 dissimilar metals in an electrolyte will consume erode one of the metals.

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The basics of heat transfer: heat moves from high temperature to low temperature.

 

Under normal conditions a nib and it's surroundings will be at the same temperature; therefore, there will be no net heat flow and the thermal conductivity of the nib materials (gold, steel, glue, and tipping material) won't make any difference whatsoever.

In fact, if the pen is moved from pocket to the ambient environment, the only possible heat transfer will be to cool the ink, not warm it (as Delta claims).

Ironically, this seems to be a case to 2 wrongs actually making a right, since the the viscosity of most fluids (ink is almost entirely water) increases as they cool (not warm as Delta claims). But then, why would increasing the viscosity of the ink be an advantage?

 

Whatever the performance of the nib, Delta's scientific claims are nonsense.

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In fact, if the pen is moved from pocket to the ambient environment, the only possible heat transfer will be to cool the ink, not warm it (as Delta claims).

Ironically, this seems to be a case to 2 wrongs actually making a right, since the the viscosity of most fluids (ink is almost entirely water) increases as they cool (not warm as Delta claims). But then, why would increasing the viscosity of the ink be an advantage?

 

Whatever the performance of the nib, Delta's scientific claims are nonsense.

I guess it's 3 wong's making a wrong? Increasing the viscosity would make the ink flow less freely (the opposite of what Delta claims).

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The fusion nibs have an interesting design and make owning a fountain pen with a steel nib more interesting. It would be even better if they made them with a 24 ct. pice of gold on them. I don't think that it improves the ink flow at all - but steel nibs don't need to be less good than gold nibs anyway so let's just be satisfied.

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I would be interested in how they are bonded/fused I didn't see any spot welds. It makes me wonder if they are connected with an adhesive. Is there electrical conductivity between the gold and stainless steel? Not that any of this matters for the pen and ink but I'm still curious. Can ink get under the gold? :glare:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion

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Hello everyone I'm Giorgia, a female university student and I'm studying the Delta pen. Could you give me some information about his fountain pens? What do you think about Delta ? Thank you for the kindness

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Hello everyone I'm Giorgia, a female university student and I'm studying the Delta pen. Could you give me some information about his fountain pens? What do you think about Delta ? Thank you for the kindness

Open a new thread, so that it wil have more visiblity.

 

What are your concerns about Delta?

 

Is a good italian fp maker, making good and interesting pens.

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