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#1 EverythingButt

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:18

Curious as I try to expand my ink collection.

The reports of inks containing iron gall corroding pens is pretty scary. Therefore I would like to avoid inks containing iron gall. The Noodler's breakdown of their inks is awesome.

Is there an FPN list of inks containing iron gall? Didn't see one while searching.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 13:49

there aren't that many, so they are easy to avoid. but diamine registrar's, ecclesiastic stationary supplies ink, rohrer and klinger salix and scabiosa, anything from pharmacist, akkerman IJzer-Galnoten bl/zw. however, there are other inks, like baystate blue and pelikan india, that will clog and jam like crazy and you may want to avoid as well.
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#3 EverythingButt

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:09

Thanks for the assistance from Carolina P!

What about Mont Blancs?

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:16

Thanks for the assistance from Carolina P!

What about Mont Blancs?



Montblanc Midnight Blue is an iron gall ink, as well.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:24

As an iron-gall regular I wouldn't get that bent out of shape over them. I don't have any uber rare pens but I am happy to run it through my vintage flexible nibs, just washing regularly. If you also look around you will find many others of like mind. Eg http://www.fountainp..._1#entry2619635 Recall the modern iron gall is not the classic iron gall!

If you do want to avoid them you have pretty much the list. I thought Lamy blue-black was too but cannot confirm that.

Edited by steb, 12 March 2013 - 10:29.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:44

To repeat that note above, most iron-gall inks today are in fact quite FP friendly.

My list (note that Pharmacist's number can increase)
- MB Blue Black (now Midnight Blue)
- Lamy Blue Black (previous edition)
- R&K Salix
- R&K Scabiosa
- Diamine Registrar's
- Akkerman IJzer-Galnoten bl/zw (may be related to Diamine's)
- ESSRI
- Gutenberg Urkunden - Tinte G 10
- Pharmacist - Blue-Black
- Pharmacist Darkening Absinthe
- Pharmacist Oriens-Occidens
- Pharmacist Purpura Imperialis
- Pharmacist Terra Incinerata
- Pharmacist Turkish Night
- Pharmacist Urkundentinte Document Ink
- Pharmacist Vanadium

Two iron-gall inks not suitable for FPs:

- De Atramentis
Sorry, AFAIK this page isn't available in English, but still take a peek at the warning there in red.

- Abraxas
I'm not sure if their "gall" inks are iron-gall inks, the main thing is that they are stated as being "not useable for fountain pens!"






Edited by lapis, 12 March 2013 - 12:40.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 17:50

I thought Lamy blue-black was too but cannot confirm that.

It used to be. About a year ago, they switched to dye based.

Chesterfield Archival (aka. Diamine Registrars) is my main ink. Though that's mainly because I bought 3 bottles to get the sale discount.

Old World Iron Gall Ink is another only for dip pens.

Corrosion is exaggerated. Most pens are plastic and stainless steel.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 03:22

J. Herbin also makes an iron gall ink for dip pens only called Encre Authentique ("authentic ink"). Some say Pelikan Blue-Black has some iron gall content in it, too. John Neal Bookseller also sells Blots Iron Gall and McCaffery's Ink for dip pens.

Edited by fiberdrunk, 13 March 2013 - 04:10.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 10:35

Pelikan blue-black ink did contain iron-gall until about 26 years ago. They then reduced that to such an extent that they could claim that it was/is and remains iron-gall-free.

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#10 The Good Captain

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 10:44

Pelikan blue-black ink did contain iron-gall until about 26 years ago. They then reduced that to such an extent that they could claim that it was/is and remains iron-gall-free.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 10:46

Crass! Cap'n, you did it !

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 10:51

Pelikan blue-black ink did contain iron-gall until about 26 years ago. They then reduced that to such an extent that they could claim that it was/is and remains iron-gall-free.

Mike

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Oh my! Such unkind teasing . . .

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 16:55

Pelikan blue-black ink did contain iron-gall until about 26 years ago. They then reduced that to such an extent that they could claim that it was/is and remains iron-gall-free.

Mike

As this shows.
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Oh my! Such unkind teasing . . .


I . . . .I weep.
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Posted 13 March 2013 - 23:22

Pelikan blue-black ink did contain iron-gall until about 26 years ago. They then reduced that to such an extent that they could claim that it was/is and remains iron-gall-free.

Mike

As this shows.
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Oh my! Such unkind teasing . . .


I . . . .I weep.

I just take it all in my stride. Tomorrow is my birthday so I'll raise my glass of Twisted Spire to Lapis!
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Posted 14 March 2013 - 03:15

Just to add to the historical nature of this post, Carter's Blue-Black contained iron gall as well. Link
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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:55

Platinum Blue Black is apparently an iron gall ink as well Platinum refers to it as ferrous tannic here.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 01:48

Platinum Blue Black is apparently an iron gall ink as well Platinum refers to it as ferrous tannic here.


Thanks for pointing that out. I've been using Platinum ink for years and didn't realize that it was iron gall.
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 10:48

Thanks, too. That site is very elucidating. Anybody interested in inks in general (blue-blacks in particular) should read that description.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 11:05

While avoiding IG inks is your choice, modern IG inks designed for fountain pens are quite safe and you'll be missing out on some really nice inks.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 11:24

Platinum Blue Black is apparently an iron gall ink as well Platinum refers to it as ferrous tannic here.

Superb information, thanks for sharing.






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