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#1 fbru

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:36

Hi,

I just bought this black Pelikan fountainpen 140 for 45€ and I think i's a very rare one.

Inscripted on the barrel GUNTHER WAGNER PELIKAN and on the knob it says OM (as you can see on the photo)

The NIB is a Medium, and I would call it semi-flexible

It writes very smooth.

Thanks in advance

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 14:32

I guess it's not the original nib (OM = Oblique Medium). Is the feed original? Which way to the fins run?
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 14:37

Yeah, I always though the original nib looked like:

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 17:01

Pelikan 140's are normally semi-flex.
I have an OB :cloud9: .

And in spite of being medium small, posts as long as a M400.

Thats a good price for the pen. :vbg:

It's too bad you didn't get the OM. I really like the semi-flex obliques, and the maxi-semi-flex/'flexi' ones like my 400NN's OF. I have some 12-13 obliques with some flex.

That means you can get an other color 140 OM. Then swap nibs around if you wish.

Something similar happened to me. I bid a bit high for a Geha OEF semi-flex, and all it was was...a real nice maxi-semi-flex/'flexi' EF. :clap1: So I couldn't quite complain.

www.nibs.com/blog/nibster-writes/nibs-germany      Info on Bock nibs

 

Due to Mauricio's improved definition of Super-flex, I try not use the term Easy Full Flex, but fail...sigh.

 

Semi-flex is an “almost” flex; not a ‘flex’ nib. It is great for regular writing with a touch of flair. It can give you some fancy; but it is not made for real fancy writing. For bit more of that get a maxi-semi-flex. Both spread tines 3X.  Those are not "Flex" nibs. 

 

Wider than Normal does not exist. Wider than Japanese does. Every company has it's very own standard + slop/tolerance. Developed from the users of it's pens and inks only; not the users or inks of other companies pens. The size you grind a nib to, is your standard only. Paper and ink matter to nib width. Thank god for 1/2 sizes or it would be boring.


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 14:28

I will post some extra photo's later, but it writes like a charm. And that's the most important to me. Thanks for your reply's
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 07:39

Hi,

I just bought this black Pelikan fountainpen 140 for 45€ and I think i's a very rare one.

Inscripted on the barrel GUNTHER WAGNER PELIKAN and on the knob it says OM (as you can see on the photo)

The NIB is a Medium, and I would call it semi-flexible

It writes very smooth.

Thanks in advance


Hi and welcome to FPN.

Nice pen there. It's a Pelikan 140 from the first release from 1952-1955. This pens came only in solid colors:
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(gray is missing on the picture and the black with chrome trim is a later variant.)
The nib seems correct to me. The so called "Logo nib" has been introduced in 1954. From 1952-1954 both, Pelikan 140 and Pelikan 400 were fitted with this plain script nibs as yours.
The Pelikan 140 has been the basic line or budget variant of Pelikan at this time. It's remarkeable smaller than the 400. Have a look at my size comparison:
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The famous green striped variant of the Pelikan 140 has been introduced in 1955.
The engraving on the filling knob marks the nib size. OM means Oblique Medium.

I wouldn't say this pen is rare, although it's not the most common variant. The most common is surely the green striped. Black ones can be found easily, also red and green ones appears from tome to time. With luck you will also find a blue one. Very uncommon is the color gray because it was manufactured only for a very short peroid. But really rare examples are Tortoise, the red striped or yellow Pelikan 140.
Hope this helps. Enjoy your pen!

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 11:35

Christof, thanks for the great info. :notworthy1:

The 140 how ever posts long, so you don't notice it is a medium small pen. It's got a great nib. :thumbup:

www.nibs.com/blog/nibster-writes/nibs-germany      Info on Bock nibs

 

Due to Mauricio's improved definition of Super-flex, I try not use the term Easy Full Flex, but fail...sigh.

 

Semi-flex is an “almost” flex; not a ‘flex’ nib. It is great for regular writing with a touch of flair. It can give you some fancy; but it is not made for real fancy writing. For bit more of that get a maxi-semi-flex. Both spread tines 3X.  Those are not "Flex" nibs. 

 

Wider than Normal does not exist. Wider than Japanese does. Every company has it's very own standard + slop/tolerance. Developed from the users of it's pens and inks only; not the users or inks of other companies pens. The size you grind a nib to, is your standard only. Paper and ink matter to nib width. Thank god for 1/2 sizes or it would be boring.


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Posted 02 November 2012 - 11:56

Note that the 140 is almost the same size as a modern M400 (or M200). I believe the older 400, 400N, and 400NN were larger than an M400, being closer in size to the modern M600.
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 15:58

Hi,

I just bought this black Pelikan fountainpen 140 for 45€ and I think i's a very rare one.

Inscripted on the barrel GUNTHER WAGNER PELIKAN and on the knob it says OM (as you can see on the photo)

The NIB is a Medium, and I would call it semi-flexible

It writes very smooth.

Thanks in advance


Hi and welcome to FPN.

Nice pen there. It's a Pelikan 140 from the first release from 1952-1955. This pens came only in solid colors:
Posted Image
(gray is missing on the picture and the black with chrome trim is a later variant.)
The nib seems correct to me. The so called "Logo nib" has been introduced in 1954. From 1952-1954 both, Pelikan 140 and Pelikan 400 were fitted with this plain script nibs as yours.
The Pelikan 140 has been the basic line or budget variant of Pelikan at this time. It's remarkeable smaller than the 400. Have a look at my size comparison:
Posted Image
The famous green striped variant of the Pelikan 140 has been introduced in 1955.
The engraving on the filling knob marks the nib size. OM means Oblique Medium.

I wouldn't say this pen is rare, although it's not the most common variant. The most common is surely the green striped. Black ones can be found easily, also red and green ones appears from tome to time. With luck you will also find a blue one. Very uncommon is the color gray because it was manufactured only for a very short peroid. But really rare examples are Tortoise, the red striped or yellow Pelikan 140.
Hope this helps. Enjoy your pen!


Thanks! This also really helps me to get deeper into this Pelikan world :-)

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 16:09

Love to hang out here. There is much to read.

Here are more pictures. Do you thing this is the original nib?

Also bought some fine ink: Perle Noire (J.Herbin). I just can't wait to try it.

Have great weekend!

Frank

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 17:13

And a very short review of J. Herbin Perle Noir in my Pelikan 140Attached File  Perle_noire.pdf   976.68KB   141 downloads

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 18:34

It's certainly an original 140 nib. The tines could use to be realigned though.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:05

It's certainly an original 140 nib. The tines could use to be realigned though.


My thoughts also. I did see the tines not really aligned when I used my macro lens... Will work on that. Thanks.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:42

Some of your pictures expand too much to be of use, but in a couple of the pictures it looks like a 15 degree oblique.

There are @ 15 & 30 degree grinds.

Cant the nib slightly, so it's flat on the paper, regrip and write.

www.nibs.com/blog/nibster-writes/nibs-germany      Info on Bock nibs

 

Due to Mauricio's improved definition of Super-flex, I try not use the term Easy Full Flex, but fail...sigh.

 

Semi-flex is an “almost” flex; not a ‘flex’ nib. It is great for regular writing with a touch of flair. It can give you some fancy; but it is not made for real fancy writing. For bit more of that get a maxi-semi-flex. Both spread tines 3X.  Those are not "Flex" nibs. 

 

Wider than Normal does not exist. Wider than Japanese does. Every company has it's very own standard + slop/tolerance. Developed from the users of it's pens and inks only; not the users or inks of other companies pens. The size you grind a nib to, is your standard only. Paper and ink matter to nib width. Thank god for 1/2 sizes or it would be boring.


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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:42

It's certainly an original 140 nib. The tines could use to be realigned though.


My thoughts also. I did see the tines not really aligned when I used my macro lens... Will work on that. Thanks.


Those old 140 nibs do have different engravings, depending on the production year/decade ....
This one is an older one.

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 20:42

I've just found this Pelikan Gunther Wagner Tortoise and brown. I don't know which model it is exactly but it's a great pen with a very flexible nib (nib which is a little bit scratchy and will need a little attention .....fpn_1415910965___thi4085.jpgfpn_1415911334___thi4087.jpg



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 20:56

I've just found this Pelikan Gunther Wagner Tortoise and brown. I don't know which model it is exactly but it's a great pen with a very flexible nib (nib which is a little bit scratchy and will need a little attention .....


Old thread but I'll take a shot at identification. It looks like a tortoiseshell brown 400. I suspect it's an early model, circa 1952. I'm basing that on the lack of engraving around the cap band and the script nib. Nice pen. Enjoy!

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 20:57

Old thread but I'll take a shot at identification. It looks like a tortoiseshell brown 400. I suspect it's an early model, circa 1952. I'm basing that on the lack of engraving around the cap band and the script nib. Nice pen. Enjoy!

 Thank you for your help in indentifying this fantastic pen. It has the same size as my 400 indeed  .....



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 21:51

It was nice to look at the old pens again.

 

The tortoise in the 500&400n I have is lighter than my '90's 400 tortoise. Light like the 400 shown.

 

The gold cap of my 500 melds better with the lighter tortoise. When I the cap put on my 400, the tortoise is darker and murky.


Edited by Bo Bo Olson, 13 November 2014 - 21:53.

www.nibs.com/blog/nibster-writes/nibs-germany      Info on Bock nibs

 

Due to Mauricio's improved definition of Super-flex, I try not use the term Easy Full Flex, but fail...sigh.

 

Semi-flex is an “almost” flex; not a ‘flex’ nib. It is great for regular writing with a touch of flair. It can give you some fancy; but it is not made for real fancy writing. For bit more of that get a maxi-semi-flex. Both spread tines 3X.  Those are not "Flex" nibs. 

 

Wider than Normal does not exist. Wider than Japanese does. Every company has it's very own standard + slop/tolerance. Developed from the users of it's pens and inks only; not the users or inks of other companies pens. The size you grind a nib to, is your standard only. Paper and ink matter to nib width. Thank god for 1/2 sizes or it would be boring.


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Posted 04 December 2017 - 08:12

Best regards to forum members and I hope will be able to contribute in this domain.I bought this 140 and look interesting.

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