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#141 Mickey

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 13:33

Palmer and Spencer influences did not seem to travel well from what I have read, and Vere Foster was covering the need for a simpler style in Great Britain. To be precise Chrurchill's parent were both English (although his mother was American-born English) and his education was English and he certainly was not the intended subject of the song, which looked at an earlier period for comedy.

Sorry, not quite right. Jeanette Jerome was born and raised in New York City and a socialite. Her education would have included writing in what was almost surely one of the American styles. Considering her place in society, 'Ladies' Hand' (a form of Spencerian) is a likely candidate. Lady Churchill was English only by marriage to a slightly pottier than usual British lord. My father was English and one great-grandfather was French. The handwriting of neither is foreign to me. (I will admit I had trouble with a note the Earl of Darmouth once penned me, but his handwriting would probably defeated anyone other than his secretary.)

 

While it's doubtful W. Churchill wrote in an American hand, Spencer or Palmer or whatever hand Lady Churchill wrote would hardly have been foreign to him, i.e., unknown, strange, or undecipherable. As for Gilbert and Sullivan, I have an advanced degree in vocal performance and am quite aware when they were active. I might point out, however, that Gilbert, like many talented librettists and playwrights, satirized contemporary events and personages by recasting them in earlier settings. His humor was nothing if it wasn't topical. (I'm not a fan.)

 

That said, I didn't suggest the Winston Churchill was the target or subject of the lyric, merely that a Ruler of the Queen's navy might not necessarily find Spencerian (or any other hand) necessarily foreign.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 18:32

Thanks Mickey. I am the victim of a Wiki quick reference. http://en.wikipedia....dolph_Churchill

As for the rest, I don't believe there is anything to debate; particularly the dangerous topics of humour and good taste.

I might add that my initial comment was not a rebuke but an attempt at humour :D



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Posted 05 August 2013 - 20:02

Thanks Mickey. I am the victim of a Wiki quick reference. http://en.wikipedia....dolph_Churchill

As for the rest, I don't believe there is anything to debate; particularly the dangerous topics of humour and good taste.

I might add that my initial comment was not a rebuke but an attempt at humour

Mostly you were a victim of the massive crush I had on Lee Remick, that and having a childhood friend equally related  (which means hardly at all) to FDR and Winston Churchill.

 

Don't you mean humor and good taste?


The liberty of the press is indeed essential to the nature of a free state; but this consists in laying no previous restraints upon publications, and not in freedom from censure for criminal matter when published. Every freeman has an undoubted right to lay what sentiments he pleases before the public; to forbid this, is to destroy the freedom of the press; but if he publishes what is improper, mischievous or illegal, he must take the consequence of his own temerity. (4 Bl. Com. 151, 152.) Blackstone's Commentaries


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 20:50

Now that is worth debating...



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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:20

Until studying this website, I was ignorant of English Roundhand--but now that I am catching up, the very presence of such a script with such a name makes the lyrics even more amusing. Thank you for the correction.

Gilbert and Sullivan might have set their works in other times and in other countries, but their humor was strictly as topical as possible. Their modern-day equivalent would of course be "The Daily Show," or "The Colbert Report."

And no, come to think of it, humor and good taste are generally considered mutually exclusive. Good humor focuses on the foibles and errors of individuals and society in a very public way, while manners and good taste forbid such displays. 



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Posted 09 August 2013 - 14:43

And no, come to think of it, humor and good taste are generally considered mutually exclusive. Good humor focuses on the foibles and errors of individuals and society in a very public way, while manners and good taste forbid such displays. 

Good taste merely requires that the target not notice the arrows lodged in his buttocks.


The liberty of the press is indeed essential to the nature of a free state; but this consists in laying no previous restraints upon publications, and not in freedom from censure for criminal matter when published. Every freeman has an undoubted right to lay what sentiments he pleases before the public; to forbid this, is to destroy the freedom of the press; but if he publishes what is improper, mischievous or illegal, he must take the consequence of his own temerity. (4 Bl. Com. 151, 152.) Blackstone's Commentaries


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Posted 09 August 2013 - 15:29

Good taste merely requires that the target not notice the arrows lodged in his buttocks.

SNORT! You have hit the white, friend!



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Posted 11 August 2013 - 14:42

SNORT! You have hit the white, friend!


Now THAT'S funny!
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Posted 04 March 2014 - 22:16

I have enjoyed this thread, but I am finding that many of the exemplars are not there, saying the photo has been removed.  I am off to see if I can find others...



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Posted 31 March 2014 - 21:33

I have enjoyed this thread, but I am finding that many of the exemplars are not there, saying the photo has been removed.  I am off to see if I can find others...

 

The missing exemplars have now been reinstated.

 

Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

Ken


Edited by Ken Fraser, 31 March 2014 - 21:34.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 14:56

Below is the link for the French Cursive thread.

 

http://www.fountainp...-2#entry3025839

 

I need to practice a lot more and this is an handy space to find it.


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Posted 21 September 2014 - 11:48

Just wish to give a quick thank you to all those who've been contributing to this thread so far (well, Mr. caliken in particular); I'm learning a lot and seeing a lot of eyecandy, haha.

 

I remember one of my first threads here was an upload of my penmanship at the time. I was asking for advice and the like, if I recall correctly. I got a lot of help from extremely skilled members such as caliken, Mickey, and pmhudepo, among many others then (I was forum-shy then, so all the comments then were very overwhelming), so I aspire to someday be able to give back to the Penmanship forum. 

 

... Not gonna happen anytime soon, I fear :P

 

Currently working on a style that's a mix of Ornamental majuscules and Madarasz-like lowercase letters. Maybe I'll give it a trial run elsewhere before being so arrogant and hubristic as to post an exemplar here.

 

 

Cheers, and many thanks!

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 15:13

I found an exemplar of German Suetterlin script in "Ornamental Calligraphy" by George F. Becker. It looks like the exemplar here but is written with a pointed pen at about 55 degree slant. It is rather hard to read (and not helped by my lack of knowledge of German) and probably have not been in use for a long time, but some people might be interested. I believe the images in the book is out of copyright, I can scan it if anyone wants to see the complete alphabet!

 

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FPN in Suetterlin script using this generator.


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Posted 17 November 2014 - 13:15

Hi ... your generator seems not to work as desired .. my grandmother wrote suetterlin ... With like every "learning" script you get the cool variations with the longer the person writes ..most handwriters in suetterlin tended to make the script much smaller ... the basicv concept would be here (in german sorry) http://de.wikipedia....Ausgangsschrift unfrotunatly I don'T have an sample of her text with me ...

 

And some schools  would also mix http://de.wikipedia...._Kurrentschrift Kurrent with suetterlin .. german writing in the teaching is a mess ;) In my days I learned 3 different types of writing ...


Edited by Lasse R Farnsworth, 17 November 2014 - 13:17.







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