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#1 wildblueroan

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 19:43

While not a serious collector, I like star nibs and have acquired a few over the years.
I recently purchased a Waterman 94 Mahogany from a dealer in the U.K. When it arrived last week, I was happily surprised to notice that the RED nib was also stamped with a small star (see Photo). I've never seen this detail before and would be curious whether others have.
I am attaching a photo of the keyhole RED nib next to an example of the Waterman's famous, earlier example, which I bought in a plain black no.12 eyedropper.
Has anyone else seen factory nibs from the 20s/30s or beyond stamped with stars?
Waterman didn't invent the star nib design-they carried it forward from dip nibs. I am also attaching a photo of a predecessor-a Fairchild New York No. 5 with a cut-out star-as well as a later version used during the 1930s by Eberhard Faber, which I believe was based in New York or New Jersey.

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 14:16

Hi, did you ever find out what the star means?  I am trying to find out the significance of the star emblem on the nib.

Thanks,

GIgi



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Posted 24 October 2014 - 04:39

Hi, did you ever find out what the star means?  I am trying to find out the significance of the star emblem on the nib.

Thanks,

GIgi

 

The important of star nibs in Waterman pens marks the early beginning of the Waterman #2 nib design. If I recall correctly, its right before they start experimenting with the different styles of letters, but after the more desirable horse shoe Waterman nib. 



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Posted 27 October 2014 - 16:33

Thank you for your reply.



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Posted 27 October 2014 - 16:34

I did end up buying the star nib after seeing some of your pictures.  Also, why is the horse shoe nib  more desirable?



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Posted 31 October 2014 - 04:36

I did end up buying the star nib after seeing some of your pictures.  Also, why is the horse shoe nib  more desirable?

 

Buying the nib, or buying the pen? What pen did it arrive in? The horseshoe nib is a very early nib, pre 1900's, and because the Waterman pen company didn't get into production until 1895/96, and those were the nibs used during the early years of the company, those nibs are hard to come by. Only a few dozen are known, but I won't speculate too much, and don't hold me to that number. 



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Posted 31 October 2014 - 19:49

{happy smiley face time}

 

 

      Fred



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Posted 24 May 2016 - 21:55

Hi, did you ever find out what the star means?  I am trying to find out the significance of the star emblem on the nib.

 

Leroy W. Fairchild is said to have been the first supplier of nibs to Waterman, so the Waterman star imprint could be a deliberate reference to the distinctive star-shaped hole on some of the earlier Fairchild dip nibs (as shown in the first post). Dip nibs don't need a breather hole, of course, so the Fairchild star was presumably for stress dispersal, as well as a branding symbol.

 

Here's a Fairchild star nib from the underside:

 

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 18:16

Cool! I just got one of these nibs in an eBay auction. I’ve been dropping dip nibs into my fountain pens and they’re an utter joy to use.

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 01:18

Great topic. Thanks for sharing. I like the pictures. I've never seen a Waterman #7 nib with the star

 

I received a Waterman star nib in the mail today. I bought it thru an eBay auction from someone in England

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 13:59

Great topic. Thanks for sharing. I like the pictures. I've never seen a Waterman #7 nib with the star

 

I received a Waterman star nib in the mail today. I bought it thru an eBay auction from someone in England

 

NIce broad nib!!



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Posted 16 October 2017 - 01:59

 

NIce broad nib!!

 

Yes, I've been looking for one of these for awhile. Now, I would like to find a horseshoe nib Waterman



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Posted 16 October 2017 - 23:06

Sounds like a Monopoly set.



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Posted 25 October 2017 - 00:25

Update:

The Fairchild pen arrived. The nib needs some TLC, but the tipping's still on and it's just about the same size as a #2 nib. Endless possibilities!

Here's a picture:

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 18:23

This is what came back from Mr. Minuskin - I call it The Chimera because I figure its made from at least four pens. The nib is AMAZING, especially on smooth paper. If you can run the experiment, the result can be a lot of fun.
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Posted 02 December 2017 - 22:52

Very nice. I've also had good luck with Greg Minuskin. He is a welding wizard



#17 wildblueroan

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 15:16

This is what came back from Mr. Minuskin - I call it The Chimera because I figure its made from at least four pens. The nib is AMAZING, especially on smooth paper. If you can run the experiment, the result can be a lot of fun.
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Have you posted elsewhere about using dip nibs in FPs?



#18 sidthecat

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 07:13

Yeah, that was probably me. It’s a different experience with a nib that responsive.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 13:19

Yeah, that was probably me. It’s a different experience with a nib that responsive.

 

Thanks, could you provide info about how to find that post?



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Posted 07 December 2017 - 16:49

Most of those posts seem to be in Fountain and Dip Pens - First Stop. It’s an interesting forum anyway.






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