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Omas Milord Advanced Cartridge System And Favourite Ink


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#1 colex

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 19:48

Hi all,

a question regarding my new Omas Milord fountain pens is: "can the advanced cartridge system be replaced with a standard converter somehow?" or with longer cartridges, at least. I suppose yes, but I couldn't try to fit converters or longer cartridge (see pics) in the pen, but I'm thinking some industrious person out there has already found the solution.

The Omas "advanced cartridge system" is nothing spectacular; just a sleeve with two international sized cartridges. One is in use and the other is stored as a backup. When the first one is dry you swap the cartridges, as is needs two in place in order to function.

Otherwise, I can refill a mini cartridge with my favourite
ink... But there's a method's to refill and seal the second one? Recharge one mini cartridge at a time, seen their scarce duration, is drying and I'd be forced each time to long cleaning operations of the syringe!


In any event, it would be nice to know. Thanks for your assistance.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 19:55

None that I know of. The problem is that the full size converter won't go in and a short converter will not seal.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 20:13

This is a frustrating problem.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 20:45

I remember googling for this "issue" awhile ago when I forgot to double-check whether the Milord I was bidding on was ACS or piston. Luckily I remembered the key term(s), "Richard Binder" :) , which helped me find this again:

http://www.freelists...tridge-System,1

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 20:52

I remember googling for this "issue" awhile ago when I forgot to double-check whether the Milord I was bidding on was ACS or piston. Luckily I remembered the key term(s), "Richard Binder" :) , which helped me find this again:

http://www.freelists...tridge-System,1


Thanks eric47 for the repy, I've already read it... Googling! :thumbup:


But, I don't understand if anyone has solved and extreme this "solution" works or not!?
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 20:54

I have a cartridge fill Milord, yet the sleeve that holds the cartridges has a screw top that allows it to accept long cartridges, such as Waterman. I like using those, as the pen has a broad nib and is something of a lovely paintbrush, so it goes through ink quickly.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 21:05

I have a cartridge fill Milord, yet the sleeve that holds the cartridges has a screw top that allows it to accept long cartridges, such as Waterman. I like using those, as the pen has a broad nib and is something of a lovely paintbrush, so it goes through ink quickly.




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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:41

Yes exactly -- except mine is gold tone to match the pen's hardware. It currently holds a long Pelikan cartridge. I've had no problems with either the long Pelikan or Waterman cartridges in this pen.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:56

Yes exactly -- except mine is gold tone to match the pen's hardware. It currently holds a long Pelikan cartridge. I've had no problems with either the long Pelikan or Waterman cartridges in this pen.


Mine ACS is not the same, I think that it should be a previus version to yours. In any case, I will try to purchase the long cartridges Pelikan/Waterman and will test if they fit in the ACS... Like this:

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:47

The cartridge tray on this pen bears a direct resemblance to the MB system:

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The notch in the middle of the tray is designed to hold a single short cartridge alone without the support of the backup cartridge, if the user so wishes. This notch disallows the use of a single long international cartridge.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:42

News....

Buyed today a Waterman long cartridge pack...


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1° attempt: the long cartridge slip in the ACS without notch issue... But (sigh!) after mount the ACS in the pen the cartridge does not come "pierced" and the ink doesn't came out from the nib... I think for fault of the superior spring, that evidently, makes it pull back of some millimetre! :x

2° attempt: disheartened, I filled a Waterman mini cartridge with Noodler Black and the pen became "constipated", in practice the nib skip on the paper and writes with strokes!

3° attempt: I have find oldest mini cartridges From Delta (completely black design) and… Miracle! Now it writes, has been able to appreciate this nib with a beautiful fine, with a bit of usual OMAS nib flexibility, but not the same on my three Paragon's fountain pen.


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This is Delta mini cartridges (approximately 12/15 years ago) differently of the Waterman ones has the collar little slightly longer graft and above all more rigid, finally the ink that hold is more fluid… Then the other surprise has been the ink, is a very beatiful black, is not typical the grayish one of many black inks, must say that is looking identically to the Aurora Black!




... At the end this is a little writing test of my new OMAS Milord HT ACS.


One strange thing on this Fine nib is that writes with a stroke thinner of the EF size mounted on my Paragon in celluloid. Nevertheless there it is to be said that, in any case, the nibs are different, Milord one is little smaller;

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This pic is the test of comparison with the big "sisters" Omas Paragon's in celluloid with EF and F nib sizes.


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I think that, in any case, the feeder or the ink hole ink in this pen should centre something. This Milord is on a dry side, in contrast to the three Paragon's, but they are piston filler... Please, take a look if there is something that does not go behind the nib!

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:23

Sergio, your attempt to use the long waterman's cartridge failed because of the notch. The notch bends the cartridge into an arc. Thus the linear distance between the nozzle and the back of the cartridge reduces, so in effect, the cartridge length reduces. Further, the nozzle is no longer square or normal to the cartridge piercing nipple.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:02

Sin, if not there are other solutions I will resign to use only mini cartridges with this pen! :crybaby:
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:12

About nib width, I can tell from the first photo that your Milord has an old nib made inhouse at Omas. Inhouse nibs run thinner than the Bock made nibs. I find that an Omas inhouse F is as thin if not thinner than a Bock made EF.

So if your Paragons have Bock made nibs that may explain why the Milord F is producing a thinner line.

Fans of thin width nibs, like me, prefer the inhouse nib, even when for instance the 18k inhouse nibs are more rigid than the later Bock 18k nibs.

If you post a photo of the Paragon nib I should be able to tell you if It was made by Bock or Omas.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 13:27

About nib width, I can tell from the first photo that your Milord has an old nib made inhouse at Omas. Inhouse nibs run thinner than the Bock made nibs. I find that an Omas inhouse F is as thin if not thinner than a Bock made EF.

So if your Paragons have Bock made nibs that may explain why the Milord F is producing a thinner line.

Fans of thin width nibs, like me, prefer the inhouse nib, even when for instance the 18k inhouse nibs are more rigid than the later Bock 18k nibs.

If you post a photo of the Paragon nib I should be able to tell you if It was made by Bock or Omas.



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I think this pen was not cleaned perfectly from the seller... I've dismounted the nib section simple with my fingers and after a 3 pass clean with different solution to eliminate all kinds of inks: 1 (water+soak) - 2 (water+ammonia) - 3 (water+vinegar plus dish soap)... Now my "Milord" writes a beatiful FINE wet line! :thumbup:


That's all folks!


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Posted 01 May 2012 - 13:33

Looks to me like all your Paragons have Bock made nibs. Excellent photos of the single nibs. The Milord is an old inhouse Omas nib.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 13:47

Looks to me like all your Paragons have Bock made nibs. Excellent photos of the single nibs. The Milord is an old inhouse Omas nib.



Sorry for the pics, are not the best/clear because, I don't have a macro lens for my reflex!
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 18:49

Looks to me like all your Paragons have Bock made nibs. Excellent photos of the single nibs. The Milord is an old inhouse Omas nib.


Sorry for the pics, are not the best/clear because, I don't have a macro lens for my reflex!


Non preoccuparti, vanno benissimo. I'm positive about the Milord. A little unsure on some of the Paragons, but the Blue Saffron's nibs looks likes like typical Bock tipping.
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Posted 22 November 2017 - 21:07

This topic is probably completely dead, but I wanted to add my own experience.

 

I have only one ACS Omas in my collection, and it has proved very troublesome. It is the type that is supposed to take two short cartridges. I have found that when using the cassette, no cartridge really works satisfactorily -- not even Omas ones, which are now of course growing very rare.

 

The problem with all of them (and I have tried a dozen different makes) is that, when fitted in the cassette, the nozzle of the cartridge does not protrude enough, and thus does not engage deeply enough with the feed to provide a reliable ink flow. It is also very difficult to get two cartridges into the cassette, the way they are supposed to go.

 

And the same applies to almost all standard converters, with one exception -- and that is the Visconti converter as used on full-size c/c Viscontis, but not the screw-in type.

 

This converter actually engages so well with the feed that it's ink-tight and stable. Cost around $10 or less on eBay.

 

I am considering removing the cassette from the pen completely so as to have room in the barrel for a full-time converter.

 

Has anyone else found a more elegant solution?


Edited by scribbler4bread, 22 November 2017 - 21:09.







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