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Hi all,

can any of you help me identify the pen in the pictures below ? It is resting in my drawer for quite a while.

It has several silver hallmarks. Unfortunately the top of the cap has broken off. The nib says Waterman nr 3 but I am not sure if the nib is original. Is it a Waterman and does it have a name ?

It fills by removing the end cap of the barrel and squeezing the sac.

Any suggestions how to fix the cap ?

Bartl

 

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The nib IS a replacement. Not anything to do with Waterman. This is a sterling silver Barclay, a Czech pen. With the push sac filling system, I think it would be a late 1950s vintage, but don't take that as gospel.

 

YOU LUCKY DOG! WHY CAN'T I FIND ONE OF THESE IN MY DESK?

 

You may want to run this by member Khufu. I think it is worth repairing for sure.

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Thank you Ehemem for your reply :thumbup: . I really like this pen, nice design and indeed the nib does not seem to match the pen. I will investigate how to fix the cap.

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Hi all,

can any of you help me identify the pen in the pictures below ? It is resting in my drawer for quite a while.

It has several silver hallmarks. Unfortunately the top of the cap has broken off. The nib says Waterman nr 3 but I am not sure if the nib is original. Is it a Waterman and does it have a name ?

It fills by removing the end cap of the barrel and squeezing the sac.

Any suggestions how to fix the cap ?

Bartl

 

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p269/bartlin/P1020178.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p269/bartlin/P1020177.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p269/bartlin/P1020179.jpg

 

Hello

 

this is solid silver Barclay 1304, Czechoslovakian brand, this model is from 1950´s. High quality pen and very expensive. Originally it was usually fitted with Kroutl nibs.

 

Check this out:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/370578658443?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

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It is a Centropen/Barclay 130X, not sure on the last number as different number represent different patterns on the barrel. Usually they're imprinted on the section. But not all. And I think it originally came with a Centropen nib.

 

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1959-OVERSIZE-BARCLAY-SILVER-1304-LARGE-VINTAGE-PEN-TWIN-PATTERN-GUILLOCHE-MINT-/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/$(KGrHqRHJDQE7ysscnWLBPG)HH7jGQ~~60_3.JPG

 

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1959-OVERSIZE-BARCLAY-SILVER-1304-LARGE-VINTAGE-PEN-TWIN-PATTERN-GUILLOCHE-MINT-/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/$(KGrHqZHJCgE7zC,OsU7BPG)HQ,D0!~~60_3.JPG

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -- A. Einstein

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Yes that is it !! I notice now engraved on the section the number "1304". Someone has tried to restore the filling system and it is not as it should be. The nib clearly is not genuine. I am considering a proper repair.

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You may want to contact the seller (Deb) of the pen that Khufu gave the link to. He is in Praha and does restoration work. :thumbup:

 

And that is a nice silver pattern. I don't think I have seen it before.

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It is a Centropen/Barclay 130X, not sure on the last number as different number represent different patterns on the barrel. Usually they're imprinted on the section. But not all. And I think it originally came with a Centropen nib.

 

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1959-OVERSIZE-BARCLAY-SILVER-1304-LARGE-VINTAGE-PEN-TWIN-PATTERN-GUILLOCHE-MINT-/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/$(KGrHqRHJDQE7ysscnWLBPG)HH7jGQ~~60_3.JPG

 

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1959-OVERSIZE-BARCLAY-SILVER-1304-LARGE-VINTAGE-PEN-TWIN-PATTERN-GUILLOCHE-MINT-/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/$(KGrHqZHJCgE7zC,OsU7BPG)HQ,D0!~~60_3.JPG

 

after year 1949 Barclay pens 1304 and 1302 were originally fitted with Ripedium steel nibs or 14Ct Ripet nibs - both of František Kroutl design, as his company was closed in 1949, comunnist centralised economy was finally happy to have his nibs :roflmho: and machinery + know how + gold/irridium supplies and experienced workers!

They were produced until 1969 and were fitted on luxurious/export versions of Centropen pens.

Centropen nibs were not fitted originally on silver pens. I have 3 of those pens in NOS condition with original box and papers - Everytime it has Kroutl nib. Centropen nibs were used as later replacement and were not primarily intended to be mounted on silver Barclay 1304 type and Barclay 1302 type. After 1948 Centropen nibs were mounted on cheaper pens, instead more luxurious pens had usually Ripedium/Ripet nibs, not surprising.

BTW before WW2 Barclay pens were fitted with their own Barclay nibs. Today those are very rare, i have only 2 of them for now. Great quality 14Ct nibs.

 

I am working on complete history of Czechoslovakian pen companies, i have discovered many interesting facts in the archives. I am preparing nice website about it. You will see and understand many things :)

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Yes that is it !! I notice now engraved on the section the number "1304". Someone has tried to restore the filling system and it is not as it should be. The nib clearly is not genuine. I am considering a proper repair.

 

 

If you want a Centropen 42 nib - i may provide it

The number 1304 is model type, there is also Barclay 1302 which has Vacumatic system. Both were made in silver, celuloid, hard-rubber (very unusual for 1949´s pen:) and even in aluminium.

 

Barclay 1304 (in silver version there were about dozen of different guilloche patterns)

http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/47545/2075136160105163080S500x500Q85.jpg

Barclay 1302 (the same exists also in silver, will provide pics later)

http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/50278/2174263290105163080S425x425Q85.jpg

Barclay 1304 Hard Rubber (over size version) and in Celluloid the standard size

 

http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/49429/2693969400105163080S500x500Q85.jpg

 

1304 Aluminium (rarest version of them all)

http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/37228/2981173640105163080S500x500Q85.jpg

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Yes that is it !! I notice now engraved on the section the number "1304". Someone has tried to restore the filling system and it is not as it should be. The nib clearly is not genuine. I am considering a proper repair.

 

 

If you want a Centropen 42 nib - i may provide it

The number 1304 is model type, there is also Barclay 1302 which has Vacumatic system. Both were made in silver, celuloid, hard-rubber (very unusual for 1949´s pen:) and even in aluminium.

 

Barclay 1304 (in silver version there were about dozen of different guilloche patterns)

http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/47545/2075136160105163080S500x500Q85.jpg

Barclay 1302 (the same exists also in silver, will provide pics later)

http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/50278/2174263290105163080S425x425Q85.jpg

Barclay 1304 Hard Rubber (over size version) and in Celluloid the standard size

 

http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/49429/2693969400105163080S500x500Q85.jpg

 

1304 Aluminium (rarest version of them all)

http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/37228/2981173640105163080S500x500Q85.jpg

 

:yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

 

Khufu, STOP! STOP! STOP! TOO MUCH STYLOPORN! ARE YOU TRYING TO GIVE ME A STROKE?

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If you want a Centropen 42 nib - i may provide it

The number 1304 is model type, there is also Barclay 1302 which has Vacumatic system. Both were made in silver, celuloid, hard-rubber (very unusual for 1949´s pen:) and even in aluminium.

 

Thanks I will consider your kind offer. Fantastic pens you are showing us, nice collection ! :notworthy1:

I will now source a repair man, it may take some time. I will contact you later.

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So here is news from the repair front. I decided to contact fountainbel and he fixed the pen well he did more than that.

The cap was fixed and then he turned the pen from accordeon sac filler to a ...... vacuum filler in quite an original way. It now can contain 2 ml of ink. And the barrel end cap was restored too. Look how the patterns on cap and barrel match ! The nib is now a vintage fine flexible Pelikan. The smoothest writer !

Take a look at the pictures below, last pic shows a MB Classique BP barley corn.

Check out the link in FPN with a nice drawing and Fountainbel's comments.

 

My link

 

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p269/bartlin/P1020206.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p269/bartlin/P1020204-1.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p269/bartlin/P1020203-1.jpg

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WOW! Very nice! Now, that's a ingenious way of restoring a beautiful pen! Lucky you!

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -- A. Einstein

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So here is news from the repair front. I decided to contact fountainbel and he fixed the pen well he did more than that.

The cap was fixed and then he turned the pen from accordeon sac filler to a ...... vacuum filler in quite an original way. It now can contain 2 ml of ink. And the barrel end cap was restored too. Look how the patterns on cap and barrel match ! The nib is now a vintage fine flexible Pelikan. The smoothest writer !

Take a look at the pictures below, last pic shows a MB Classique BP barley corn.

Check out the link in FPN with a nice drawing and Fountainbel's comments.

 

My link

 

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p269/bartlin/P1020206.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p269/bartlin/P1020204-1.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p269/bartlin/P1020203-1.jpg

 

 

I would have provided you the original accordeon filling unit :headsmack: The original condition is worth to be preserved.

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If you want a Centropen 42 nib - i may provide it

The number 1304 is model type, there is also Barclay 1302 which has Vacumatic system. Both were made in silver, celuloid, hard-rubber (very unusual for 1949´s pen:) and even in aluminium.

 

Barclay 1304 (in silver version there were about dozen of different guilloche patterns)

http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/47545/2075136160105163080S500x500Q85.jpg

Barclay 1302 (the same exists also in silver, will provide pics later)

http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/50278/2174263290105163080S425x425Q85.jpg

Barclay 1304 Hard Rubber (over size version) and in Celluloid the standard size

 

http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/49429/2693969400105163080S500x500Q85.jpg

 

1304 Aluminium (rarest version of them all)

http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/37228/2981173640105163080S500x500Q85.jpg

Dobrý den,

 

dostala jsem darem plnící pero Barclay 1302, bohužel nefunkční. Zatím mi nikde nebyli schopni poradit, na koho se obrátit ohledně případné opravy pera. Jsem začátečník - v plnících perech se bohužel vůbec nevyznám, ale moc bych si přála pero

zprovoznit a psát s ním. Na základě výše vedené diskuse jsem usoudila, že se v této problematice orientujete. Pokud je tomu skutečně tak, či máte jakýkoli typ na koho se případně obrátit, budu Vám velice vděčná za odpověď a jakékoliv informace.

 

Předem díky mockrát.

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Dobrý den,

 

dostala jsem darem plnící pero Barclay 1302, bohužel nefunkční. Zatím mi nikde nebyli schopni poradit, na koho se obrátit ohledně případné opravy pera. Jsem začátečník - v plnících perech se bohužel vůbec nevyznám, ale moc bych si přála pero

zprovoznit a psát s ním. Na základě výše vedené diskuse jsem usoudila, že se v této problematice orientujete. Pokud je tomu skutečně tak, či máte jakýkoli typ na koho se případně obrátit, budu Vám velice vděčná za odpověď a jakékoliv informace.

 

Předem díky mockrát.

Please translate this in English, so we may learn as well....

 

Thank you (and :W2FPN: )

 

D.ick

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Freedom exists by virtue of self limitation.

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Dobrý den,

 

dostala jsem darem plnící pero Barclay 1302, bohužel nefunkční. Zatím mi nikde nebyli schopni poradit, na koho se obrátit ohledně případné opravy pera. Jsem začátečník - v plnících perech se bohužel vůbec nevyznám, ale moc bych si přála pero

zprovoznit a psát s ním. Na základě výše vedené diskuse jsem usoudila, že se v této problematice orientujete. Pokud je tomu skutečně tak, či máte jakýkoli typ na koho se případně obrátit, budu Vám velice vděčná za odpověď a jakékoliv informace.

 

Předem díky mockrát.

 

Well, there are several people mentioned in the above posts who might be able to restore your Barclay and get it into working condition. Maybe you should start with FPN member Khufu who is very knowledgeable. Just use the PM function. If that doesn't work for you, I may have another option in Praha.

 

And, no, I do not speak Czech, but hey, I know how to use Google Translate! And Barclay, Centropen, Smaragd, etc. are among my most prized pens! (I have a silver Centropen I have to get restored...)

 

ETA: A ne, nemluvím česky, ale hej, já vím, jak používat Google Translate! A Barclay, Centropen, Smaragd, atd. patří mezi mé nejvíce ceněných per! (Mám stříbro Centropen musím se obnovit ...) Hope that this came out more or less clearly.

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Dobrý den,

 

dostala jsem darem plnící pero Barclay 1302, bohužel nefunkční. Zatím mi nikde nebyli schopni poradit, na koho se obrátit ohledně případné opravy pera. Jsem začátečník - v plnících perech se bohužel vůbec nevyznám, ale moc bych si přála pero

zprovoznit a psát s ním. Na základě výše vedené diskuse jsem usoudila, že se v této problematice orientujete. Pokud je tomu skutečně tak, či máte jakýkoli typ na koho se případně obrátit, budu Vám velice vděčná za odpověď a jakékoliv informace.

 

Předem díky mockrát.

Hi,

 

google translator might be a cool thing to use :)

 

http://translate.google.com/

 

Send me some pictures to Personal Message I will find out what needs to be done. Is the nib in good writing condition? Dip it in ink and test some writings.

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