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#21 Montblanc owner and lover

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 15:36

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 03:17

I've read that the pens are different internally as well. Can someone explain the differences there?

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 02:49

I've read that the pens are different internally as well. Can someone explain the differences there?


The Souverän M800 and M1000 series and Toledo M900 series pens have brass piston assemblies that can be easily unscrewed. Lesser models have fixed (non-removable) plastic piston assemblies. This explains why the M800 is much heavier than the M600.

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Edited by DragonLord, 26 December 2012 - 02:51.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 13:45

I'm afraid that I'm still a bit confused. I just bought my first Pelikan FP, a Polar Lights, M 640. Is this pen part of the Souveran series, or does the 600 designation refer to the size of the pen only? Thanks for any light you can shed on this issue. vinper



I can't I am right or not.Polar Light is not Souveran series butSpecial Edition of Premium series.
Polar Light is a M640, that means the same size of M600.


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Edited by Pufferfish, 31 March 2013 - 14:10.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 14:52

This is wonderful post. I have learnt lot of info here, thanks.

bTW, I hope to add some info.

1. I have one west Germany M400( before 1991). It come with a one toned 14c nib too.

2. My tortoiseshell brown M400(before 1997) come with a two toned 14c PF nib

3. My tortoiseshell shell m450 come with a 18c two toned nib

4. In Pelikan Official web site, M300 listed under Souveran but not Classic.

Hope I can help.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 05:02

I've read that the pens are different internally as well. Can someone explain the differences there?


The Souverän M800 and M1000 series and Toledo M900 series pens have brass piston assemblies that can be easily unscrewed. Lesser models have fixed (non-removable) plastic piston assemblies. This explains why the M800 is much heavier than the M600.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 05:16

DragonLord - I was on the Pelikan Forum to try and find out how to take apart my M600 having seen sbrebrown use a TWSBI wrench to take apart a Pelikan on one of his shoot-out videos... but got interested in this discussion instead. Be that as it may, unscrewing my M600, I could not understand how sbrebrown had done it. My M205 was the same way... round, black plastic with no place for the wrench to get any kind of purchase. Now - thanks to your information on this thread - I understand... I can do it, but only to my M800 with its brass piston assembly. I cannot try it right now because my M800 has ink in it. I suppose now I will have to buy myself a TWSBI pen just so I can have one of their highly useful wrenches on hand. Thanks for the lesson(s).

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 20:08

Hi all,

Are there any new style M800 with two tone 14C nibs? As far as l know all new style M800 has 18C nibs. Am l wrong?

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 00:45

As far as I can tell, all current production M800 nibs are 18C/750.

 

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 19:53

Most fascinating and informative thread. Thanks to everyone! :D

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 23:57

There is also now a P200. Just got it and it's nice. Lighter than the Technixx i had and the Edelstein Garnet is nice. :)



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Posted 14 October 2014 - 17:07

Very informative. Thank you



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Posted 05 February 2015 - 20:30

Great information, thanks!



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Posted 10 February 2015 - 19:50


I can't I am right or not.Polar Light is not Souveran series butSpecial Edition of Premium series.
Polar Light is a M640, that means the same size of M600.


Brian

 

Isn't the Everest 640 a different design than the m600? Bigger around, different cap, etc. Does anyone know if all of the special edition 640s are the same shape?



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Posted 10 February 2015 - 20:10

 
Isn't the Everest 640 a different design than the m600? Bigger around, different cap, etc. Does anyone know if all of the special edition 640s are the same shape?


All of the 640's are the same shape and yes, they are different than the M600.

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Posted 21 January 2017 - 21:11

The number 400 designates a size and style of writing instrument. Within each series (400, 600, 800, etc.), there are several writing instrument types, including fountain pen, ballpoint pen, rollerball pen, and mechanical pencil. The M (Mechanik-Füllhalter) designates a piston-filled fountain pen. Other types of writing instruments include K (Kugelschreiber) for ballpoint pen, D (Drehbleistift) for mechanical pencil, and R for rollerball. A designation not used in the Souverän series is P (Patronen-Füllhalter), for cartridge fountain pen. A number ending in a zero (0) designates gold trim, while a number ending in a five (5) designates silver-colored trim. There are certain numbers (such as 1000) that have only one type of writing instrument--that is, the oversized M1000 fountain pen.

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Thank you bwDraco for your very explicit explaination of the numbers and letters and what they designate. As someone just getting interested in the Pelikan line, this helps immensely.  One thing I'd add is that the lower numbers indicate smaller pens working incrementally up to larger pens. For example the M200 is smaller than the M400, M600, M800.  Thanks again for the info. Every little bit helps.



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 03:34

Thank you bwDraco for your very explicit explaination of the numbers and letters and what they designate. As someone just getting interested in the Pelikan line, this helps immensely.  One thing I'd add is that the lower numbers indicate smaller pens working incrementally up to larger pens. For example the M200 is smaller than the M400, M600, M800.  Thanks again for the info. Every little bit helps.

The exception being m300, the smallest of the Souveran line and smaller than m200 from the Classic line.


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Posted 17 March 2017 - 20:57

Thank you bwDraco for your very explicit explaination of the numbers and letters and what they designate. As someone just getting interested in the Pelikan line, this helps immensely.  One thing I'd add is that the lower numbers indicate smaller pens working incrementally up to larger pens. For example the M200 is smaller than the M400, M600, M800.  Thanks again for the info. Every little bit helps.

M200 & M400 are of same size.



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 00:22

This was a brilliant thread! I learned so much. Thx!
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