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#1 Wahlnut

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 23:27

Another Topic led to questions about what is and is not a Wahl Signature Pen. The following was excerpted from that topic and started anew here for more to see. scan down for the dialog and the pictures.

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Posted Today, 01:14 AM
rhr2010, on 30 June 2011 - 08:50 AM, said:
Syd, I am confused about what is an actual "signature pen". For instance in your web site you have "Equi-Poised Pens" and "Gold Seal Flat Tops". Where do they stand the proper "signature pens" As you describe, I have seen "signature nibs" on various pens but I am not sure which pen is a proper "signature pen".
Thank you and sorry, as I am sure that this topic has been covered already.


I am not at all surprised. The Signature nib and the Signature Pen are different things and yet they come together in the true Signature Pen (unless otherwise ordered)

By Wahl's own definition the signature nib was:
"Designed for those who like a heavy durable nib,but one not so hard and stiff as to make writing tiresome. Has a large full ball point - very smooth and easy writing. Good for use by either a heavy or light hand on any kind of paper. Will stand lots of hard work. Made in fine and medium point sizes 2,4,and 6 only."'

As such, the Signature nib was a part of the Wahl Pen line up from at least 1924 as one of 12 nib choices in the #6 nib (large nib). In 1925 the Signature nib became one of the nib choices in the #2, #4 and still in the #6 nib sizes. BECAUSE THE SIGNATURE NIB WAS MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, FOR AVERAGE USERS AND ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A VARIETY OF HANDS AND WRITING STYLES IT WAS A REGULAR OR STANDARD STARTING NIB CHOICE FOR PUTTING INTO PENS AS THEY CAME FROM THE FACTORY. The writing characteristics were by our standards today a Semi-Flex.

From all that I can determine, by 1926-7 Wahl was trying to make a pen that was the everyperson's pen. The middle of the road average user pen that would appeal to the masses. To that end the $5 pen was introduced (what we erroneously may call the Non-Gold Seal Flat-top or the Signature Pen.) The fact that these middle of the road pens had the standard middle of the road nibs that were labeled "Signature", was not surprising, but it has led many people concluding any pen with a Signature nib must be a Signature Pen.- NOT! . It was the standard nib installed in the 1927 $5 Pen line (which included some of the first Wahl/Wahl-Eversharp plastic pens.

Now, in 1925 there actually was a SIGNATURE Pen! It came in hard rubber only and in only 8 designs ranging from the The large #7 size pen with the #6 size nib (3 designs - Plain Polished Red Rubber, Plain Polished Mottled Rubber and the Machine Turned Dart design in black hard rubber., the #6 sized pen with the either #2 or #4 size nib (the smaller nib in one of 2 ring-tops) . THESE WERE THE ONLY "TRUE" SIGNATURE PENS. These true Signature pens, were made that way to become the most easy to middle of the road ready to go pens. That made it easy for dealers to build their orders around. All the others were "signature" in nib only.

As I always seem to end up doing, I will mention that the pens as catalogued were not always given a model name. For example the 1927-8 catalog lists pens by color. If you want a Jade Green pyroxalin pen you can have a big fat flat top, a ring-top, and everything in between. So how did they communicate between dealer and factory about what pen was ordered> MODEL NUMBERS or Telegraph code words but not model names (usually) except maybe the in this context, the true Signature Pen).

More later.


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Posted Today, 07:39 AM
Thank you very much for the detailed explanation. If you get a chance, could you post a photo of a 1925 SIGNATURE pen side by side with a Gold Seal Flat Top?
I recently acquired a red mottled hard rubber pen that could fit the description of SIGNATURE pen, but it sports a large Wahl #6 nib and I guess it could be described as a hard rubber flat top pen (large gold band but not deco-band, however same size of Gold Seal Flat Top pens).

Here they are from the 1925 catalog:
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Notice that the pens are marked "Wahl Signature Pen" at the top end of the cap. Other Wahl hard rubber pens of the same size, material, and shape available in the same catalog (1925) were not so labeled...they were labeled Wahl Pen. many people have tried to apply the "Signature" moniker to all pre-gold seal wahl pens including the early 1927 plastic pens, but they were not Signature Pens even if they and others sported Signature nibs which were one of 14 or more nib choices in the Wahl nib line-up.

I expect this will trigger more questions. So rather than try to anticipate them here, lets all go to the Socratic method and let the dialogue that is sure to follow take us along the path that will help to explain the subtleties involved.

Oh, and here is a shot of the 1929 catalog picture of the Gold Seal pens
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And The Gold Seal Deco Bands (the oversized Deco Band pens were about the same overall size as the large Signature and #8 size non Signature Hard Rubber pens of 1925-6
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Edited by Wahlnut, 02 July 2011 - 05:31.

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Posted 02 July 2011 - 00:59

No questions for now, Syd, but thanks for taking the time to share all this info and clear thing up (at least for me...).....

Very helpful!

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Posted 02 July 2011 - 13:19

Thank you for sharing these informations. They make some light on an topic that always left me quite confused.
I'm adding this as the main reference on my wiki.

Thanks again.

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Posted 02 July 2011 - 20:10

Thank you very much for the great explanation and wonderful pictures. I have yet to stumble upon a proper Signature Pen in real life. I will check the top of the caps for the imprint from now on. That imprint seems a clear sign to recognize a Signature Pen.

I have two Gold Seal Pens in coral color with two cap bands and it is interesting that they do not appear on the catalog. While we are learning so much about all these Wahl models, can you remind us about the colors of the Gold Seal Pens? Was coral a later addition?
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Posted 02 July 2011 - 22:32

Thank you very much for the great explanation and wonderful pictures. I have yet to stumble upon a proper Signature Pen in real life. I will check the top of the caps for the imprint from now on. That imprint seems a clear sign to recognize a Signature Pen.

I have two Gold Seal Pens in coral color with two cap bands and it is interesting that they do not appear on the catalog. While we are learning so much about all these Wahl models, can you remind us about the colors of the Gold Seal Pens? Was coral a later addition?
Thanks!
Federico


I hope my couple of images above did not give the impression that they were comprehensive as to colors or styles. Coral and other colors were not all later issues, they were shown in the same 1928 catalog (there were 3 separate catalogs for 1928!) as I show the page from above, and then again and the 1929 catalog.
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Edited by Wahlnut, 02 July 2011 - 22:37.

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 00:49

Thank you for the great photos and explanation.
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Posted 04 July 2011 - 01:45

thank you Syd!
I have read your information with interest, and at first thought my BCHR Wahl was not a Signature, even though it has the Signature nib..............but then I looked again at the photo of the cap and see right at the top, part of the 'Signature Pen' as you describe! Now I know!!! This pen is very dear to me, I bought it years ago from Bill Melvin, then sold it to Dennis Bowden - and missed it badly, so Dennis let me have it back..........and more than any other pen from Dennis, this one reminds me of him!

Your comments would be very welcome on this pen!
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 00:27

BTW.....That engine turned design was referred to as "Darts" by Wahl. It was used on the metal pens (and pencils) as well as on the hard rubber ones.

The "Grecian Border" (sometimes called "Greek Key" by collectors) was also used on hard rubber.

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 02:54

BTW.....That engine turned design was referred to as "Darts" by Wahl. It was used on the metal pens (and pencils) as well as on the hard rubber ones.

The "Grecian Border" (sometimes called "Greek Key" by collectors) was also used on hard rubber.



Thanks as always, Jon. One minor correction "Dart". (no s )
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Posted 23 December 2013 - 18:52

I read this information with a lot of interrest, Syd. I wait for a Wahl Signature pen, don't know yet whether it is a true Signature or not, but nethertheless, this is great information. Thank You for posting this.

Jean-Marie



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Posted 02 January 2014 - 23:12

Glad the post is still of service!
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Posted 30 March 2014 - 22:58

I am looking at a Signature #6 nib in 2 tones. Anyone knows what is it made off?

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 07:14

I am looking at a Signature #6 nib in 2 tones. Anyone knows what is it made off?

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Probably 14K gold with the silver color plated


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