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#61 torstar

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 19:51

The whole definition is kind of undefinable.

What is blood red to your eyes, do you mean the colour when it hits the paper, when it dries, a week later?

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 19:59

The whole definition is kind of undefinable.

What is blood red to your eyes, do you mean the colour when it hits the paper, when it dries, a week later?


Well, I tried to be clear about what kind of blood red I'm looking for. The quality I'm trying to find is the look of kind of crusty dried blood. You know, black undertones with deep red (not brown) highlights. What I'm not looking for is blood in a vile red or freshly spilled blood red. I want the ink to have some shading qualities and I want it to have a proper distinction between blacker elements and pure red elements. The problem is that most dark reds muddy out to brown and don't really look red at all.

As I said earlier I settled on buying a full bottle of Oxblood, simply based on the many positive reviews of it as a color, not necessarily because it's got the exact blood red I want (though it may.) I also ordered a half dozen testers from Goulet of some of the other reds mentioned in this thread, so I'm sure to find just the right ink for my needs.

I'm using mostly medium nib pens on Rhodia notebook paper.

Edited by Surf Monkey, 20 June 2011 - 20:00.


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Posted 20 June 2011 - 20:11

Noodler's Esenin (part of their Russian Eternal series) is blood red, and bulletproof to boot. Unfortunately, when I did a review of it, the scan turned out more pink-red than blood red. But it's blood red.
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 15:59

Excellent advice. Because of my career I'm keenly aware that you can never get a good read on how an ink looks from images on the Web. Too many variables involved.

So true.

I've looked at writing examples and swabs online of what I thought was a great colour, only to be disappointed when I received the ink and it looked nothing like it did online.
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 16:20

The BSER seems enough like Diamine Syrah to not make it high on my wish list.

In the real world, BSER seems to definitely have a fair bit of brown in it, but... I received a sample of Syrah, and liked it so much I was going to put it on the short list, and then I happened to do some writing right next to BS Australian Roses, and the similarities were remarkable. The purple tones are nearly identical, but the Noodler's has quite a bit more shading, which suits me. I've got a full bottle, so I'm holding off on the Syrah, though it is a very nice ink.


My first thought upon writing with BSER was that it looked like drying blood. That's not quite the effect I'm trying to get with my inks, so I doubt I'll buy a bottle of it.

Damn, though: in that same batch I tried out PR Ebony Purple. Gotta have that one. No doubt.


I can't decide whether I like this one or not. Sometimes it agrees with me and sometimes it doesn't. It seems to take longer to dry than most inks too, so I have to be careful when using it.

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 23:40

@Surf Monkey
Finding the right red might be hard, it depends on taste. Have you thought about ordering a couple of samples?


The last two do sound like Noodler's Ink colors.


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Posted 21 June 2011 - 23:53

Yep. As I said earlier in the thread, I ordered a full bottle of Oxblood but I also got a half dozen samples of a bunch of the colors mentioned in the thread already.

I think red is one of the hardest colors to get right, and not just from a taste perspective. It's just really hard to move off of pure, fire engine red without going directly into pink, purple or brown.

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 01:21

I'm also chasing the same color that you're after. In my case specifically it's a black black red. not reddish, not brownish, RED. Might take awhile to find the right ink.

I bought a bottle of 1670 (that one is going to last a loooong time), a sample of BSER, and finally a sample of red-black. I've got to say that Noodler's is really close to what I want with red-black ON RHODIA DOTPAD THROUGH AN XXF NIB. the line is thin and shades nicely and shows a nice deep red. I bought a bottle of it.

On any other paper I've tried it absorbs and comes out a muddy brown that I don't like. Why is dark red just so hard to do? My Lamy Safari Fine makes an okay line on the dotpad, but any wider or on any other paper.. bleah. I wonder if there's a way to get the black in red-black to hold together a little better than it does. hmm.

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 02:36

I have used PR Black Cherry several times to produce "bloodstains" and even "bloody fingerprints" for photo shoots over the years, and it's been pretty successful, IMO. I'd tried using Noodler's Red-Black, but the Private Reserve looked more realistic, generally. Talking about dried "blood", here, obviously; I'm not as sure about liquid "blood" in a syringe or something like that.

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 03:41

+1 on PR Black Cherry. It looks like dried blood, especially on the right paper, but it may not pop enough for you.

Glad I read this thread. I have an unopened box of Herbin 1670 (yep, I haven't even cracked the box open). I might have been very surprised when I finally opened it and didn't shake the bottle before filling.

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Oh, and Pear tree Pens also does ink samplers; I don't know if they have different ones in stock than Goulet Pens but it is nice to have a back-up option.

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 10:11

... I won't get into coffee grounds perforated gastric ulcer or tar black blood in the stool.

Okay, you guys are now getting into scented inks. Right on. How about an ulcer-scented or stool-scented ink?

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 10:51

...Okay, you guys are now getting into scented inks....

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 10:53

...Okay, you guys are now getting into scented inks....

:ltcapd: :roflmho: :roflmho:


I'll have a think and get back to you all later...

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 22:17

...Okay, you guys are now getting into scented inks....

:ltcapd: :roflmho: :roflmho:


I'll have a think and get back to you all later...


This link might give some sort of idea about how to make your own. Obviously not by opening a vein of course...
http://www.numerican...emistry.htm#ink

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 23:35

Got the Oxblood today. It's redder than the Noodler's Red/Black. Very close to what I'm looking for. It's red for sure, not muddy brown like the Noodler's. Side by side the Noodler's looks less saturated and has less of a shading effect than the Oxblood.

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 23:42

Glad you like it! Even if it isn't exactly what you were looking for, I think you'll find yourself going back to it again and again.

I could never settle on just one ink. That's why I have four pens that are 0.9 mm cursive italic nibs. Got to have one for:

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 23:47

Oh, trust me. I'll never be satisfied with one red ink. That's a given. I'm already thinking about buying a bottle of 1670 and I doubt it'll be my last. I'm a designer, so I probably won't be satisfied until I have as many inks as there are chips in a Pantone book.

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 23:52

Oh, trust me. I'll never be satisfied with one red ink. That's a given. I'm already thinking about buying a bottle of 1670 and I doubt it'll be my last. I'm a designer, so I probably won't be satisfied until I have as many inks as there are chips in a Pantone book.

I'm sort of repelled by red inks, and that's why I was surprised that I liked Oxblood. Before joining FPN, I had been a brown/sepia ink person, with brown inks from Waterman and Levenger being my primary go-to inks. While sampling different browns, I got edged over to Diamine Syrah, and after playing with Diamine Syrah, I got nudged over to Diamine Oxblood. I haven't warmed up to Widow-Maker or Cayenne yet. Perhaps Oxblood is as red as I get.



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Posted 22 June 2011 - 23:57

Consider..equal parts of Levenger Cocoa + Cardinal Red = a very nice blood red.
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 00:18

I think red is one of the hardest colors to get right, and not just from a taste perspective.


Well I never thought of tasting my inks. That opens up a whole new way of categorizing them. Salty, sweet, fruity, metallic, bitter....
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