Parker Duofold Cloisonné...

[HyperCamper]

I saw this picture of the new Parker Duofold LE Cloisonné in mandarin yellow:

 

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l143/arcis1814/Parker_duofold_mandarin.jpg

 

It's gorgeous! ^_^

 

But what really caught my eye was the bottle of ink that comes with it... Parker Penman Sapphire supplied by Parker itself. What o what could that mean? Or would it be plain NOS? <_<

Edited November 8, 2006 by HyperCamper

[saintsimon]

... Or would it be plain NOS? <_<

The Paker logo on the bottle is the old one, while the logos in the box are new ones —> NOS :bonk:

Edited November 8, 2006 by saintsimon

[milkpowder]

It's gorgeous! ^_^

You can say that again!

[RLTodd]

I thought Cloisonne was glass melted on metal in a pattern or form of artwork. The picture is of a yellow pen. I don't get the connection. :blink:

 

 

Edit for a reference (yeah, I know, its wikipedia, yada yada...., but its described the way I understood it....)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloisonn%C3%A9

Edited November 9, 2006 by RLTodd

[helius]

I thought Cloisonne was glass melted on metal in a pattern or form of artwork.  The picture is of a yellow pen.  I don't get the connection.  :blink:

 

 

Edit for a reference (yeah, I know, its wikipedia, yada yada...., but its described the way I understood it....)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloisonn%C3%A9

If I remember correctly (I've only seen these in pictures), the cloisonne is limited to just the top of the cap. Strange that most of the websites don't show that little detail.

 

Here's a picture to a page with the top of the cap shown: Parker Duofold Cloisonne Mandarin Yellow

 

 

Edited to add link.

Edited November 9, 2006 by helius

[RLTodd]

Thank you for the explanation.

 

Top of the cap, uh yeah, thoughts of business ethics run through my mind.....

[HyperCamper]

Here's a (bit of a) close-up of the cap:

 

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l143/arcis1814/Parker_duofold_closcap.jpg

Picture courtesy of www.vulpennen.nl

 

Looks nice, too!

[helius]

I wish I could afford that beast. It matches the colour of my car.

[rroossinck]

Me too, pal. I saw one the other day and fell in love.

 

I've gotta admit, though, I'm very keen on the Jazz lineup, though.

[love2write]

I got one of the cloisonne darlings a few weeks ago,

and decided to get another one for a back up. Someone

was selling a Mandarin (1995 LE) used, no box, on eBay

a couple of months ago. I think it went for about $1000.

 

[MikeW]

We have now seen the entire package of the Duofold Cloisonee, how the market snapped them up pretty quickly - I don't there are many for sale at penshops (Brick&Mortar or Internet). We have seen some activity in the secondary market.

 

My question, based on the benefit of the above, is what is the current fair market value of just the pen, not the trappings, just the pen - no case, no Penman ink, just a plain Parker case?

 

This is speculation, as it is not going to affect any proposed pen sale or purchase by me.

 

We seem to be getting for Limited Editions with fancy boxes and accoutrements and while each pen and its trappings would need to be evaluated on the facts, some of the issues/principles that this question raises might apply to sales of LE pens that have been stripped down.

 

I await your comments. Thank you.

 

 

[PAKMAN]

The New Parker True Blue Duofold will come packaged with a bottle of Parker Penman Saphire also!!!

[MikeW]

I am aware that the new True Blue will be packaged in a similar manner. It would appear that is Parker's plan for any reissues that are forthcoming.

 

I know how much the Penman Ink costs/worth - it depends on whether you have a friend who goes to the UK occasionally and can pick up a bottle for about $15 or if you don't have that option, you can pay about $50 on Ebay.

 

I don't know what the presentation box is worth - some people might use it to display the pen, others might store the box and display the pen in a different case.

 

And, by the time the pen is sold again, say by the owner's estate, the ink may or may not have been used, and perhaps the case can't be found.

 

Assuming you can find the complete package, you would probably pay around $600, perhaps a bit more, perhaps a bit less.

 

Based on this, I would like to go back to my original question - what would you pay for just the pen, not the trappings, just the pen - no presentation case and no Penman ink?

Edited September 22, 2007 by MikeW

[MikeW]

Bump, I am really curious about the answer to my question.

[MikeW]

Bump, enquiring minds need to know!

[cir177]

Check out this address:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...em=150337684048

The nib is engraved PARKER and looks like the nib of Parker Rialto.

Any idea what is it, an undercover Parker or a fake?

 

 

 

I saw this picture of the new Parker Duofold LE Cloisonné in mandarin yellow:

 

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l143/arcis1814/Parker_duofold_mandarin.jpg

 

It's gorgeous! ^_^

 

But what really caught my eye was the bottle of ink that comes with it... Parker Penman Sapphire supplied by Parker itself. What o what could that mean? Or would it be plain NOS? <_>

 

[WendyNC]

Check out this address:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...em=150337684048

The nib is engraved PARKER and looks like the nib of Parker Rialto.

Any idea what is it, an undercover Parker or a fake?

 

I suspect that the nib is a fake. As for the rest of it, it appears to be exactly what it claims to be, i.e., low end cloisonne.

[flodoc]

Bump, enquiring minds need to know!

 

I, personally, wouldn't pay any more than for a standard Duofold of comparable size. There is nothing in the manufacture that justifies a higher price other than the perception of exclusivity. The LEs are still run of the mill Duofold pens. The Cloisonne doesn't even have the three cap rings that some SE and LE Duofolds come with (as if that would justify a price difference).

 

The only limited editions I have are ones that are obscure, made by Stipula for a pen store, bought at a fire sale price and two Pelikans that I really liked and paid fair market value for, but less than brick and mortar price (really just slightly more than the going rate for an M800, which they are based on).

[skybird]

Check out this address:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...em=150337684048

The nib is engraved PARKER and looks like the nib of Parker Rialto.

Any idea what is it, an undercover Parker or a fake?

 

Looks to me like a typical craftsman pen using the 88 nib. The price was really low for the trouble the maker went to and perhaps the nib was worth more on its own.

 

Lovely unit I think.

 

Plus I love my Duofold Cloisonne and the matching True Blue and my Mandarin. They get rotated on the coffee table in my lounge.

[skipwilliams]

No offense, but I've always been completely underwhelmed by the Cloisonne. It's like the took a bunch of leftover 1995 Mandarin LE material, created an identical pen with a new imprint, and stuck a new piece on the cap and gave it a name. AND...overpriced it at a crazy $750.00. Now if it was $350-400, that would be reasonable.

 

I had a 1995 Mandarin Duofold for about 2-3 years and it was a nice pen. It tended to get dirty however, especially the imprint. Pretty Pen, to be sure.

 

Skip

 

 

I thought Cloisonne was glass melted on metal in a pattern or form of artwork.  The picture is of a yellow pen.  I don't get the connection.  :blink:

 

 

Edit for a reference (yeah, I know, its wikipedia, yada yada...., but its described the way I understood it....)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloisonn%C3%A9

If I remember correctly (I've only seen these in pictures), the cloisonne is limited to just the top of the cap. Strange that most of the websites don't show that little detail.

 

Here's a picture to a page with the top of the cap shown: Parker Duofold Cloisonne Mandarin Yellow

 

 

Edited to add link.

Edited April 15, 2009 by skipwilliams