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Noodler's Piston Filler's secret identity


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#1 kethiemann

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 16:49

While working in Delhi I stumbled across some pretty decent looking fountains made by a company named Chelpark . After posting about a pen called the Chelpark Maverick and getting some insight from fellow FPNer Jimmy James I have concluded that the Chelpark Maverick and Noodler's piston filler are the same pen. In other words, it looks like a company named Chelpark in India is making Noodler’s piston filler for them. Below is a comparison of the two as well as a general review of the Chelpark Maverick.


Likeness #1: The cap
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This is the Chelpark Maverick (above)
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Noodlers Piston... hard to tell apart right!
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A close up of the Maverick cap

-Both clips held in place by identical screw-in plastic “jewel”
-Both have a silver ring at base of cap and a slight angle at the base of the cap
-Identical clip and cap dimensions


Likeness #2: The body
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Here is the Maverick with unscrewed piston to match the Noodler photo above.

-Both have exactly 8 clear “windows” into the piston tank
-Both have screw on caps
-Notice the color is even exactly the same


Likeness #3: The feed and nib
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Maverick feed and nib (above)
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Back side of Maverick feed
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Noodler feed (but with a creeper nib)
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Noodler nib
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Maverick nib
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Nooder's nib backside
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Maverick nib backside

-Both feeds are identical, made of ebonite with 7 notches
-The standard nibs are the same shape
-Note: this is the only difference between the two pens… the Chelpark nib is gold colored and the noodle is silver. The shape is the same but the metal used is different.


Likeness #4: The insides
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Noodler's fully disassembled (demonstator version)
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Maverick fully disassembled

-notice that every single part is identical... down to the plunger.


Likeness #5: Strange smell
-Several reviews have mentioned the Noodler has a strange smell. I can confirm that all the Chelparks I have found so far have a very peculiar smell to them. I know this is a strange thing to point out but when was the last time you bought a pen and really noticed a smell?


Likeness #6: Overall size
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Noodler's compared to Lamy Safari
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Maverick compared to Lamy Sarari


Likeness #7: Writing experience
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-I would consider this to be on the EF side of fine. This sample feathered a tad using Chelpark ink on Moleskine but it writes close to EF on plain typing paper. The nib is rigid but smooth with just an ever-so-slight hint of tooth. Most of the reviews I have read of the Noodler describe the line and experience the same.


Conclusion:
Noodler’s piston filler and the Chelpark Maverick are the same pen (as far as I can tell) with the exception of the imprint on the clip and the metal of the nib.

These are very fine pens for the price. I’m trying to track a few down while I’m here in India. So far I have only been able to find 7 of them but you can pick one up from me in the “for sale” section for $10 if you are quick enough
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Posted 15 March 2011 - 17:07

Bah... I can't help but feel betrayed. Alas, it is what it is. Do you have any side by side photos of the two pens at hand?

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 17:18

That's some dang serious detective work! I hereby nominate you for a Lt. Columbo Award for 2011. Posted Image

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 17:23

i feel betrayed. but i still want the noodlers flex. lol.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 17:26

I wonder if Nathan at Noodler's gets those custom swirled colors specially manufactured?

Now who makes the "new" Noodler's eyedropper that comes with Nikita?

I like these pens for their "Kit Car" aspect-- it's pretty easy to see every part of the pen for cleaning and maybe repair. I have swapped out more nibs on these pens than on any other pen I own, due to the ease of doing so.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 17:26

Great detective work!

Do you have access to any of the flex steel nibs as well? I would definitely grab a flex steel nib maverick if you could pick one up.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 19:48

I thought it was common knowledge that the Noodler's pens were made in India and modeled on Indian models - I don't think betrayal is what anyone should be feeling. Noodler's, at the very least, is making these inexpensive Indian pens easily available in the US without much of a markup. Plus, Nathan's flex-nibbed pens offer a major difference in nib, as does his creaper nib, as do all his little innovations.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 00:38

Nice work.

It has been known that parts of the pen are from India. Still it's good to know
from whom :-)

This came up in a google search, so this pen has been around a long time.
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Posted 16 March 2011 - 02:39

Now who makes the "new" Noodler's eyedropper that comes with Nikita?


It seems to me that the cap of the eyedropper (which now also comes in 4.5 ounce Dragon's Napalm, btw) looks a lot like one of the Chelpark eyedropper pens Kevin has come across, though the body of the pen is a bit different. It's the Chelpark Top Gun, I think.

This also makes me wonder if the ink Nathan has mentioned making in bulk as a private label ink for a foreign company for sale in a foreign market is Chelpark ink.

Great work on the comparison, Kevin. I want to stress I am very happy Nathan has brought this product stateside. I am extremely supportive of the concept of getting fountain pen ownership to the masses with an affordable decent quality pen and inexpensive ink.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 10:59

Bah... I can't help but feel betrayed. Alas, it is what it is. Do you have any side by side photos of the two pens at hand?



Unfortunately I don't actually have a Noodler on hand at the moment. I had to rely on photos. Thankfully the Noodler pen has been extensively reviewed on the forum. I am in India right now. I will be bringing some of these home to the US. I'll try to post a side by side if I can next month. No need to feel betrayed. I'm rather impressed with the pen for the price. Noodler just found a way to make a more affordable pen broadly available on the US market. Not a bad idea!

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 11:01

I'm still working on trying to figure out if the eye dropper is also a Chelpark. My hypothesis is yes but I have not found the exact model yet.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 12:49

I'm still working on trying to figure out if the eye dropper is also a Chelpark. My hypothesis is yes but I have not found the exact model yet.

Can you point me to any pictures of this eyedropper?
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Posted 16 March 2011 - 13:45

Interesting, I always thought they were made by Dollar in Pakistan. They do indeed have a funny smell, but they're a pleasure to write with.
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Posted 16 March 2011 - 13:48

I'm still working on trying to figure out if the eye dropper is also a Chelpark. My hypothesis is yes but I have not found the exact model yet.

Can you point me to any pictures of this eyedropper?



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SamCapote wrote a great reveiw of the whole noodler lineup. He was so generous as to let me use some of his photo. You could check it out for a pic of each of the noodler's pens.
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Posted 16 March 2011 - 18:26

I don't understand the feeling of betrayal, because I don't think Noodler's comes with any pen that is stock made by them. Think: an unbranded Platinum Preppy, and now this. Nothing surprising in my opinion, other than the idea that it took so long to figure this outt
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Posted 16 March 2011 - 20:54

Interesting, I always thought they were made by Dollar in Pakistan. They do indeed have a funny smell, but they're a pleasure to write with.


I think their rollerball (that is refillable with ink) uses a "Dollar pen" body. It has a distinctly different body than their fountain pens and looks more cheaply made.

Edited by nardo800, 16 March 2011 - 22:56.


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Posted 16 March 2011 - 21:51

I thought it was common knowledge that the Noodler's pens were made in India and modeled on Indian models - I don't think betrayal is what anyone should be feeling. Noodler's, at the very least, is making these inexpensive Indian pens easily available in the US without much of a markup. Plus, Nathan's flex-nibbed pens offer a major difference in nib, as does his creaper nib, as do all his little innovations.


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Posted 16 March 2011 - 21:54

Yes, it is not surprising that they are made elsewhere and not in the US. That said, I appreciate what Nathan is doing by keeping prices low across his pens and inks. I feel like he isn't trying to make money - more like providing a service to FP users :)

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 21:55

I thought it was common knowledge that the Noodler's pens were made in India and modeled on Indian models - I don't think betrayal is what anyone should be feeling. Noodler's, at the very least, is making these inexpensive Indian pens easily available in the US without much of a markup. Plus, Nathan's flex-nibbed pens offer a major difference in nib, as does his creaper nib, as do all his little innovations.


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It wasn't a "secret".


Well, I'm probably too new to the FP community, but I had no idea it was an Indian model and not Nathan's own creation (like the TWSBI to Speedy's). I thought it was Noodler's attempt at making a pen with a flexible nib, as i've read in previous posts about how Nathan himself set the nibs onto the pens, one by one. I haven't kept up with their previous pens, neither. So, I do feel betrayed in this sense.

Edited by kcunvong, 16 March 2011 - 22:25.


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Posted 16 March 2011 - 23:05

Well, I'm probably too new to the FP community, but I had no idea it was an Indian model and not Nathan's own creation (like the TWSBI to Speedy's). I thought it was Noodler's attempt at making a pen with a flexible nib, as i've read in previous posts about how Nathan himself set the nibs onto the pens, one by one. I haven't kept up with their previous pens, neither. So, I do feel betrayed in this sense.

It does say on the Noodler's website that it was a collaborative effort between various US states, Switzerland, and India... so not surprised. I do know that the nib is different, and I do know for a fact that Nathan hand-set each nib. So the nib is definitely something of Nathan's influence.

I don't get the surprise or betrayal factor... did people seriously think that he was hand-pouring the resin, creating clips from scratch, and physically making the pens himself? Just because it's under your brand doesn't mean you physically manufacture all the parts.... just that you're responsible for the end product/design. And again, the nib is what makes it special. Or do you feel betrayed that it's not made in America? Lots of things are assembled in America that comes from parts from overseas. Think about the inks too - the end product is manufactured in America, but no doubt many of the ingredients probably come from overseas. I think Nathan would do whatever it takes to develop an end product that is as affordable as possible, using whatever sources necessary.

Just my two cents.

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