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Pilot Namiki Falcon Elabo


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#1 pe2dave

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 13:47

2011-03-02T11:03:21Z
Pen review:
Pen Pilot Namiki Falcon Elabo, black, SF (soft fine) nib in rhodium.


Seller: http://myworld.ebay....k/kendo-karate/

First Impressions: 6/10
Well wrapped for delivery. First look? Big, black and shiny.

Appearance and Design: 6/10

Appearance:
Nominal torpedo shape? Chrome trim, plain clip.
Plain, not elegant IMHO. Perhaps even a little on the chubby side?

Design:

As a pen it works. Seems to be well made, I'm still unsure if this is
the metal or plastic model.
http://www.andys-pen...et/falcon.shtml shows mine, though whether
that is the 'Elabo' I'm unsure. Looking down the barrel I can see metal. From
the weight I would suggest it is a metal + plastic body.
The nib, in Rhodium, is oddly shaped, probably to aid flexing. A (so far) negative
aspect of this design is that I can't yet find out how the nib/feed come out
of the pen when I want to clean it. Any suggestions?

One and a half turns to close the cap.

My only downer on the design is the filling system, see later. I don't view
this as a good design. I believe it to be the 'CON-70' converter.



Weight and Dimensions: 5/10

34.4g inked
138mm capped
126mm uncapped
156mm posted
11mm diameter, at grip
12.4mm max diameter of barrel.
Cap 14mm diameter.

[[ Oddities. It struck me that my hand was a long way from the tip
of the nib, so I measured and compared: Distance from tip to first
point at which pen can reasonably be held:
Namiki: 18mm
Cross 17mm
Lamy CP1 17mm
Parker 13.1mm
TWSBI Montesa 18.5mm
Pelikan 19.3mm
Noodlers flex 15mm
so despite my concern it isn't particularly long nibbed, by comparison
with other pens ]]



Nib and Performance,

Nib:
Marketed as semi flex. I have little previous experience with flex,
limited to Noodlers flex nib pen, which was my reason for buying this
one. IMHO it is firmer than the Noodlers, though that may change as I
use (and flex) the nib - I have no experience with a Rhodium nib, does
it soften and flex more over time? I'm half convinced that the
Noodlers has done just that over the month I've had it. Hard to
compare the Noodlers weighing in at 3 feathers, with this
(comparative) monster. OK 10.2gms to 34gms, that's quite a
difference. I accept it will take some getting used to.

I found (and still find) the nib 'scratchy'. I have yet to determine if this
is the size (it is a genuine Japanese 'Fine', i.e. EF by Eu standards) or
the nib which is scratchy. I feel it when moving the pen across the page
and am concerned about a dig when I move the nib up the page. So far
I have simply smoothed it a little with 12000 grit abrasive. There is so little
metal on the tip I am concerned about doing more.

Performance:

I bought this pen as a fine writer. It is. I bought it for writing,
rather than decorative scripts, i.e. I wanted comfort. 5/10 for
comfort, more so over a long period, it is weighty, not something I'm
used to. I took a liking to the flex nib from Noodlers, just plain
fun. This nib has flex but it requires work, i.e. more pressure than
the Noodlers. The flex goes (within my measuring accuracy) from 0.26mm
to 0.8mm. I'm not keen on stressing the nib much beyond that
currently. That may change. Roughly a factor of three seems sufficient
as a semi flex.

For me, the pen seems fat in my hand. The caveat there is that I have
spent the last month with a pen that is 8.5mm where I grip it. From
that to 11mm may not seem much, but my hand notices it.

It started to skip. It then dried up. This after working cleanly with
a wet line for a couple of pages. I inverted it, shook it a couple of
times and off it went again. I'm using Noodlers BSinAR (silly name,
great ink) and the coloring drifts from very dark (the black swan)
through to a pale pink (Oz rose?), then skips and dries. Pressure
shows the railway lines. I filled it, or at least ejected some ink and
re-filled it, and off it went. I am unsure of the cause, a hypothesis
being that steady writing without much movement causes a pressure
imbalance between the atmosphere and the ink reservoir. More
investigation needed, but not a good sign.

As of owning this pen for 24 hours, I cannot say I am at home with it
as yet.

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The above just to compare the two.

Filling System: 3/10

The Pilot CON-70 filling system, see
http://www.melpens.c..._Push_Type.aspx which
shows it. Most peculiar. Sort of pump the black top, whilst trying to
grip the pen body/converter body which is chromed! It works, but is
simply inefficient and bad design IMHO. I really have no idea how the
system works, how well made or durable the design is. By the time
the pen was full my fingers were fully inked. Mmmm...




Cost and Value:
Cost US$205 + $15shipping. £42 UK import + clearance fee.
Not a bargain. The UK purchase is UK 20 more with a reasonable
expectation of customer service without shipping it across the world.
5/10


Conclusion:
I now have a definition of a 'big' pen for me.

I'll probably add to this once I'm more used to the pen.

Dave
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Posted 02 March 2011 - 14:10

Wow really down on the Elabo.

Just a note, you bought a soft fine nib, not a lot of flex in that nib and probably smaller than you are use to. you may have been happier with the Soft medium falcon nib, a lot more flex in that bad boy and closer to a western fine.

I think your weight is off, because the manufacture weight of my FALCON ELABO is 37 grams, and a 15.5mm diameter of barrel, which may lead me to believe you have just a falcon not a FALCON ELABO, which the nib is a bit harder and not really considered a wet noodle....

anyone else chime in for me.
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Posted 02 March 2011 - 15:09

Based on the fact the pen has rhodium trim, the provided link, and the weight, I'd say the reviewer definitely has the newer, heavier Falcon Elabo. The resin Falcon is a *lot* lighter. According to richardspens.com the metal Pilot Falcon Elabo is 34 grams, the resin Namiki Falcon is 18 grams.

I have the resin Falcon and it's one of my faves. I've got a CON-20 in it and I just wish it took the CON-70 the reviewer doesn't like. I agree the repeated button pushing action is not all that convenient, but there's no need to get inky fingers doing it. The CON-70 is one of the higher capacity converters around. Certainly it's the highest capacity of Pilot's converters ... and unlike the CON-20 you can see your ink level. I've found the key to filling a CON-70 is to press about 5 to 7 times with no pause between presses. It's not like the CON-20 where you pump, wait 5 seconds, pump.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 15:21

Based on the fact the pen has rhodium trim, the provided link, and the weight, I'd say the reviewer definitely has the newer, heavier Falcon Elabo. The resin Falcon is a *lot* lighter. According to richardspens.com the metal Pilot Falcon Elabo is 34 grams, the resin Namiki Falcon is 18 grams.

I have the resin Falcon and it's one of my faves. I've got a CON-20 in it and I just wish it took the CON-70 the reviewer doesn't like. I agree the repeated button pushing action is not all that convenient, but there's no need to get inky fingers doing it. The CON-70 is one of the higher capacity converters around. Certainly it's the highest capacity of Pilot's converters ... and unlike the CON-20 you can see your ink level. I've found the key to filling a CON-70 is to press about 5 to 7 times with no pause between presses. It's not like the CON-20 where you pump, wait 5 seconds, pump.


there is the Falcon Collection by Namiki which is resin, there is the Falcon Collection by Pilot which has the metal body and then there is the Falcon Elabo Collection by Pilot Falcon the wet noodle nib. They all have different specs weights and sizes especially barrel diam between the falcon and the falcon elabo but only a 3g weight difference, but a huge weight difference and size variation and could never be confused with the Falcon Collection by Namiki. But then again I could be totally wrong.
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Posted 02 March 2011 - 15:46

Based on the fact the pen has rhodium trim, the provided link, and the weight, I'd say the reviewer definitely has the newer, heavier Falcon Elabo. The resin Falcon is a *lot* lighter. According to richardspens.com the metal Pilot Falcon Elabo is 34 grams, the resin Namiki Falcon is 18 grams.

I have the resin Falcon and it's one of my faves. I've got a CON-20 in it and I just wish it took the CON-70 the reviewer doesn't like. I agree the repeated button pushing action is not all that convenient, but there's no need to get inky fingers doing it. The CON-70 is one of the higher capacity converters around. Certainly it's the highest capacity of Pilot's converters ... and unlike the CON-20 you can see your ink level. I've found the key to filling a CON-70 is to press about 5 to 7 times with no pause between presses. It's not like the CON-20 where you pump, wait 5 seconds, pump.


Thanks for that. I am quoting after the first fill. I backed out of a purchase of a pen with the older converter because of the higher capacity of the CON-70. I hope I do get used to it... and keep my fingers cleaner :-)

Any idea about removing the nib/feed?

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 00:05

there is the Falcon Collection by Namiki which is resin, there is the Falcon Collection by Pilot which has the metal body and then there is the Falcon Elabo Collection by Pilot Falcon the wet noodle nib. They all have different specs weights and sizes especially barrel diam between the falcon and the falcon elabo but only a 3g weight difference, but a huge weight difference and size variation and could never be confused with the Falcon Collection by Namiki. But then again I could be totally wrong.


I'm relatively sure that there is just the resin Falcon and the metal one. The Elabo and Falcon Collection by Pilot are the same pen, if memory serves me correct.

I've got one of the resin models and enjoy it, but I wouldn't call it a flex pen. It's just a very 'soft' nib. It came with the CON-50 converter, which isn't worth a bean. I have empty cartridges that I refill instead, which works surprisingly well. The resin model is far too light though; it feels almost like there's nothing in your hand at all. Some may like the sensation, but it gets used less by me as a result.

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 10:14

I'm relatively sure that there is just the resin Falcon and the metal one. The Elabo and Falcon Collection by Pilot are the same pen, if memory serves me correct.

I've got one of the resin models and enjoy it, but I wouldn't call it a flex pen. It's just a very 'soft' nib. It came with the CON-50 converter, which isn't worth a bean. I have empty cartridges that I refill instead, which works surprisingly well. The resin model is far too light though; it feels almost like there's nothing in your hand at all. Some may like the sensation, but it gets used less by me as a result.


To try and close this thread out. I agree Groat. It is the metal Falcon. Identical to the one sold in the UK. Just Pilot who don't realise the confusion they cause by all these names.

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Re the nib/feed removal? WARNING These pens do not have a removable nib/feed.
The 'nib unit' is one item, up to where the section screws into the body? I.e. the point of insertion of a converter or cartridge. There is no joint that can be opened between the nib and the pen body, which is the second of the three metal rings. You have been warned.

I refuse to say how I found this out, just assume it was painful.
My thanks to Michael at Cult Pens for his help in digging me out of a hole (and a great 24 hour turn around for a replacement nib unit)

I can now go back to this pen and do a longer term assessment.

Learning point? If you are a fiddler, find out before you buy if
the pen has a removable nib and feed.

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 16:46

Any idea about removing the nib/feed?

Dave



yep. soak in hot water a minute or two to loosen any ink and sort of expand things, pinch nib and feed, pull.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 07:52


Any idea about removing the nib/feed?

Dave



yep. soak in hot water a minute or two to loosen any ink and sort of expand things, pinch nib and feed, pull.


Err, no. See my previous post. This pen does not have a separable nib/feed, it is a nib unit (much to the discredit of Pilot IMHO)

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 12:55

So then unscrew it like a Pelikan/Esterbrook/Edison/Visconti... etc?

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 17:55

So then unscrew it like a Pelikan/Esterbrook/Edison/Visconti... etc?



Unscrew the nib unit, yes. The nib+feed as a pair, from the section? No.
that was the reason for the warning. Hopefully to stop others trying.
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Posted 07 March 2011 - 18:09

I want one of these units so I can take it apart.

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 18:31

I want one of these units so I can take it apart.


Post the photos when you do, I'll be interested.

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 19:09

Doesn't somebody here have a tore up unit I can play with?

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 22:39

Once you get used to the CON-70, imho, you'll find that it's one of the best converters on the market. Its capacity is practically unmatched for a converter.

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Posted 19 March 2011 - 11:18

I want one of these units so I can take it apart.


Post the photos when you do, I'll be interested.

Dave



Well, if you can't pull, push.
Insert a round, squared off rod into the section, towards
the nib, and the nib/feed pop out, as intended I guess.

Due care returning the feed+ nib into the section. Only one way. Look for the triangle shape, the odd point lines up with a channel in the feed.

Question: Where the heck can I get a replacement feed in the UK?

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Posted 19 March 2011 - 13:25

I want one of these units so I can take it apart.


Post the photos when you do, I'll be interested.

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Well, if you can't pull, push.
Insert a round, squared off rod into the section, towards
the nib, and the nib/feed pop out, as intended I guess.

Due care returning the feed+ nib into the section. Only one way. Look for the triangle shape, the odd point lines up with a channel in the feed.

Question: Where the heck can I get a replacement feed in the UK?

Dave


http://www.cultpens.com/index.html

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or fax us on 01884 259824 (international +44 1884 259824).

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Posted 19 March 2011 - 13:45

http://www.cultpens.com/index.html

Cult Pens
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Duly contacted. Now to see if it is worthwhile repairing!

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Posted 21 March 2011 - 11:17


http://www.cultpens.com/index.html

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Duly contacted. Now to see if it is worthwhile repairing!

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No.
75 UK pounds for the nib unit. Feed not sold as a separate unit. Nice one Pilot.

One make to avoid in future.

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 23:01

The nib and feed can be removed.
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