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Lamy 2000 Vs Pelikan M200


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#41 goodguy

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Posted 01 January 2011 - 16:16

Long live Lamy 2000!

Gotta love the L2K :thumbup:
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Posted 02 January 2011 - 21:09

I just got the Lamy from my German friends, and I can tell you that it is by far the most responsive nib I have ever written with :thumbup:

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 21:36

I own -- and enjoy -- several Lamy pens, Studios, Safaris, and the 2000. Also own several Pelikans -- the M200, Technixx, and Future. All of my pens are reground to custom italics and all are Broad nibs.

The Lamy 2000 writes well and has a nice, springy feel to it. I use it for much of my everyday writing and keep it filled with Noodler Heart of Darkness. Excellent for phone messages and quick notes on low-quality paper. Does a wonderful job of writing on about any paper at any time with an ink that dries waterproof. (Yes, I have soaked a message or two in water and not lost any legibility.) Use it unposted as the cap has a tendency to pop off unless pushed on with more force than is good for the pen. But, unposted, the pen is well-balanced and a wet writer that flies across the page. Biggest drawback is that the pen nib is pretty much a permanent part of this pen. In other words, it is a unit that would require a repairman if anything failed.

The Pelikan M200 is a bit more modular. Two parts, the piston-fill body and the nib unit. Nib unit is replaceable with about any Pelikan unit made, although I see no reason to replace perfectly good nibs. Keep my two pens filled with Noodler Navajo Turquoise and Montblanc Lavender Violet. Great shading with either ink, excellent writing experience. And the steel nibs are pretty much the usual italic nail nib. I have done calligraphy-level writing by changing to Aurora Black. I may even get around to acquiring a Binderized XF nib with full flex added, one of these years. The interchangeability of the nibs is one of the greatest strengths of the M200. Generally, I post the cap on this pen to get a better balance. Haven't found any major drawbacks to this pen, so that is why I consider this pen to be my workhorse of workhorses.

You can't, IMHO, go wrong with either pen. Would think that any writer that wants to try out some low-cost pens for daily use wouldn't go wrong with either pen. You can even go lower in cost by trying the Lamy Studio, the Safari, or the Pelikan Future. All are great pens that will give you real value for your dollar.

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 23:42

umm... the nib on the lamy 2000 is SUPER EASY to take out and replace. you take the section off the barrel and with the fat of your finger, just gently push against the nib, maybe soak it first for a few minutes in water, and the nib and feed just slide out. they're not even friction fit. then take the nib off the feed the same way you would with a safari/al star. i was really paranoid about it at first, but was very relieved to see how easy it was.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 00:07

I have both of these pens (well, the Pelikan M400) each having a BB nib.

The Lamy is nicer to hold and I like the way that the cap snicks home. It is quite a lot heavier than the Pelikan and perhaps this works towards the better feel of this pen. The piston mechanism works well on both and they both hold lots of ink and are smooth writers.

Nibwise, the Lamy is broader but has less line variation, it is also quite musical. The Pelikan is quite stubbish in it's writing qualities. The perfect combo would be the Lamy body and the Pelikan nib. :cloud9:

Perhaps I could find a nice expert to tweak the Lamy nib some time. :rolleyes:
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Posted 03 January 2011 - 06:23

At last I did it, I am so happy.
For the longest time I was dreaming to compare the 2 best pens for under 100$.
Again and again arouses this question and at last I got my hand on the 2 leading pens in this category.

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These two pens are the Pelikan M200 and the Lamy 2000.
Both have a lot in common

1.German made
2.Piston filled
3.Ink view window

But there are differences which I will discuss in this review.

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DESIGN

Both very elegant pens.
Pelikan pens are well recognized, all these pens look a like and differ in small details, trims and sizes starting with the tiny 300, small 150 then 200, 400, 600, 800 and the big 1000.
They also come in different colours, the classic green, red, black and blue and then there are some special models with white and other colours.

The Lamy 2000 just like the Ford model T comes with any colour you like as long as itís black.
It has a more modern design to it which looks very pleasing and ergonomic to the eye.

Both have ink view windows but the one on the Pelikan is much bigger and thus much better in telling the amount of ink in the pen.

Both pens will post easily and securly for those who like to write with their pens posted.

The Pelikan is much smaller but to my complete shock once you take the cap off the actual pen is almost the same size of the Lamy.
Both pens are light weight, the Pelikan might be a bit lighter but not by much.

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QUALITY

Clear winner here, the Lamy is by far the better pen, it looks and feels better.
Attention to details and material feels more solid.


FILLING MECHANISM

Both use pistons and they are equally smooth.
Both hold a good amount of ink.
Nothing much to add here, both wonderful!!!

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NIBS

Here is where the approaches are much different.
Pelikans nibs are very standard looking with the wonderful advantage of being able to screw the nib in and out.
You can buy different nib sizes and replace them easily, great advantage for those who like to use different nib sizes for different occasions.

I never changed a nib on my Lamy and so I canít tell you how easy it is but I heard this shouldnít be too complicated, never the less I am sure the Pelikans approach is much easier and friendlier.
Lamy is using the semi hooded nib configuration, not very common but very effective.

The M200ís nib is made of gold plated steel with Pelikan logo on it.
The Lamy 2000 has a 14K solid gold nib that is covered with a white metal so for almost the same price its nice to have a piece of gold at the end of the pen.

Both nibs are stiff and the Pelikans XF nib is almost wide as a regular F nib its very smooth and nicely responsive, a wonderful nib by all standards.

Lamyís nib is F and looks almost as wide as the Pelikans, itís as smooth as the Pelikan but has much more feedback to it so for me there is no doubt I like the Lamyís nib better.

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Conclusion

These are 2 pens which anyone who want a good pen for under 100$ should consider.
Both are German made, very reliable, piston filled but has different designs and small price difference.

I like the Lamyís design slightly more because it looks fresher and more ergonomic.
I like the ink view window on the Pelikan more because itís easier to see the ink in it.
I like the slip cap on the Lamy more then the standard screw cap on the M200.
I like the fact itís so easy to replace the nib on the Pelikan and each extra nib will only cost 25$
The Lamy has a spring loaded clip compared to the standard clip on the Pelikan, itís not a big practical difference but I still like the Lamy clip better.
Lamy nib is simply more fun. Nothing wrong about the Pelikan nib its silky smooth with good feedback but the Lamyís nib is simply more fun.

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Bottom line, I thought I will brush off the Pelikan due to its size but it really is much bigger then it looks.
Itís a brilliant pen and will cost 20$ less then the 89$ you need to pay for the Lamy but I still would choose the Lamy in an instant.
The overall quality is better, I like a bit more the design, the fact there is real gold at the end of the pen and the pure fun of the nib pushes this pen ahead for me and I think makes this pen worth double and triple its value and for sure the 20$ extra you need to add on the Pelikan.



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Posted 03 January 2011 - 06:24

Hello Dear,

Happy New Year to all of you...

these are looking nice..... i lyk it...

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Posted 23 January 2011 - 18:21

my take:

lamy is more bang for your buck
pel is more bling for your buck

chose accordingly.

I would gladly recommend the lamy over the old m600 I had. and not just "for the money", but in absolute terms. that it costs considerably less is just a bonus.


Great comparison and photos. Thank you! I particularly agreed with the comment above.

Cheers!

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Posted 23 January 2011 - 19:03

Nice job on the comparison.

I have both of these pens--the Pelikan (M205 blue demonstrator, EF nib) and Lamy (w/ EF & F nibs).

IMHO, the Lamy feels more sustantial in the hand, but lacks a clear view of how much ink is remaining.

All fountain pen users should at least try both--many will end up owning both.

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 13:25

I had the Lamy 2K for a few months. It was the result of a gift check and it is what introduced me to fountain pens. I liked it until I tried a Pelikan 215. For my hands, the Pelikan is a better fit. Like the Lamy, it's pretty light which I appreciate. I really can't use heavier pens for note taking.

I gave the Lamy to someone who has never used a fountain pen before. I have a hunch he's going to start ditching his ballpoints pretty soon...

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 16:31

One caution to someone looking at this topic trying to make a decision of the two; the Pelikan is a very short pen, esp. the grip section. Depending on the way you hold the pen those threads could really be uncomfortable! In my case I would have to go to an 800 to "almost" be comfortable. Of course, the 2K has those little ears that tend to irritate some. Before buying either, you should try them if possible.
Oh - and my vote is for the 2K! :thumbup:
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Posted 29 January 2011 - 02:51

Pelikan!

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 13:06

Oh - and my vote is for the 2K! :thumbup:



Pelikan!

I think these 2 conflicting votes just prove these both pens are good and different people will choose different pens.

Saying that I still think the L2K is better :thumbup:
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Posted 29 January 2011 - 23:15

I think these 2 conflicting votes just prove these both pens are good and different people will choose different pens.

Saying that I still think the L2K is better :thumbup:


or you can love both as I do :)
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Pelikan 400 Brown Tortoise/14K Fine/J. Herbin Cafe des Iles
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Sailor 1911 Large burgundy/21K Naginata Togi Medium/Diamine Oxblood
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Posted 30 January 2011 - 21:26


I think these 2 conflicting votes just prove these both pens are good and different people will choose different pens.

Saying that I still think the L2K is better :thumbup:


or you can love both as I do :)

True :thumbup:
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Posted 31 March 2011 - 18:54

I currently own several modern classics Vanishing Point, Pelikan M200, Pelikan M400, Lamy Vista,... I have held the Lamy 2000 in my hand at pen shows, but I donít own one. I am deliberately discriminating because Lamy does not offer replacement nibs. A pen show dealer showed me how easy it was to replace the nib. That is assuming you could get one. I donít want to have to go crawling back to Lamy on my hands and knees if the pen happens to roll off my desk and bend the nib. All the other pens I own offer replacement nibs.

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 20:21

Long live Lamy 2000!

p.s.It would be awesome if Richard Binder sells them!


And how! Does anyone know if he'd modify my L2K to give it a cursive italic? LOVE the pen and how it writes, but i dream of it have that nib. :-)

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 01:32

And how! Does anyone know if he'd modify my L2K to give it a cursive italic? LOVE the pen and how it writes, but i dream of it have that nib. :-)

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Talk to Pendelton Brown. He's modified a Lamy 2000 before and I believe there were nice results from that.

I modified my own L2K B nib and it now writes something between a CI and a Stub with lots more line variation than the original B. The B nibs are already slightly stubbish but I was annoyed that the horizontals were still rather thick and the led to my "e" letters and loops not being rendered correctly.

I believe you can get replacement gold nibs from the Lamy distributor (at a price of course) and you can also get the older Lamy nibs (steel and gold) from one of the FPN members here. He stocks the older nibs which work for the precursor to the L2K but they run truer to their stated size compared to the current nibs which seem to be 1 size larger.

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 17:31

This thread has saved me from insanity! I have been on the search for an affordable daily writer, looking at fp such as the Lamy 2k, TWSBI 540 and various vintage pens. I was almost going to buy the TWSBI 540 before i saw this thread, my prayers have been answered! I wanted a piston filler, like the TWSBI, only solid black, and here it is in the form of the Pelikan M200. :cloud9:

Where on earth would i be were it not for the saints of the FPN! :notworthy1:
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Posted 07 December 2011 - 14:26

This thread has saved me from insanity! I have been on the search for an affordable daily writer, looking at fp such as the Lamy 2k, TWSBI 540 and various vintage pens. I was almost going to buy the TWSBI 540 before i saw this thread, my prayers have been answered! I wanted a piston filler, like the TWSBI, only solid black, and here it is in the form of the Pelikan M200. :cloud9:

Where on earth would i be were it not for the saints of the FPN! :notworthy1:

Glad to be of help and hope you gonna enjoy your new pen :)
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