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Ink, Water & A Bit Of Coffee Testing, Part 2


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#1 jde

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 19:44

Okay… so I had an UNusual spurt of free time (aka sick in bed with a virus) in which to obsess even more about the inks in my possession. I was suddenly overcome with the concern about being caught in the rain, spilling coffee over my pages and the deep desire to know more about the water-resistance qualities of my inks.

I very much admired Video11's water tests. I did not follow his exact example but took his 15 minute soak as my soaking rule. Please do not blame him for the quality or lack thereof of my tests. We don't even know each other. No photographic calibration or scientific water analysis has been used. Although I can tell you the Ph from my tap is 7.5. Honestly, my apologies to the scientific among you. What's presented is what interested me.

Method: Pages were soaked for 15 minutes and then left to dry for 24 hours. No agitation was used. The pages have coffee mug rings because, well, I was sick at the time and, well, something about always putting coffee mugs down in the wrong place…it's real coffee and the coffee stains survive the soak.

In some cases there are splotches resulting from the coffee hitting the ink. The coffee mug was dried prior to each new coffee ring to prevent intermingling of ink from one ring to another. This was not always successful as in the case of the green splotch around the Diamine Grey which I believe got created by the Sheaffer Black when I put the page aside. Anyhoo, the coffee rings were created 24 hours prior to the pages being soaked in water.

Paper used: Rhodia #18.
Pen: J. Herbin Glass Dip


Photos begin with a "Before", followed by the 1st moment in the water, then at "15 min soak" prior to removal, and then "24 hours later/dry" with a few close-ups.

Ink samples that survived looking fresh will not be surprises: Platinum Carbon Black, Montblack Blue-Black and Iroshizuki Fuyo-syogun. Quite a few others did very well but I leave it to you to judge them for yourselves.

Ink samples that did not survive at all: Waterman Havana, Caran D'Ache Saffron, Iroshizuki Yu-yake, and Pelikan Edelstein Jade. Again, there are others that did not fair so well but a bit better than these four.

Part 2 Inks (Pages 4 - 5):
  • Diamine Jet Black
  • J. Herbin Perle Noire
  • Iroshizuki: Fuyo-syogun, Kon-peki, Ku-jaku, Shin-ryoku, Syo-ro, Tsutsuji, Yu-yake, Yama-guri, Tsukushi, Tsuki-yo, Yama-budo (all in Pt 2)
  • Pelikan Edelstein Jade
  • Platinum Carbon Black
  • Private Reserve: Ebony Purple, Velvet Black
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Pls see Part 1 for the following inks (Pages 1 - 3):
Caran d'Ache Saffron
Diamine: Chocolate Brown, Grey, Midnight, Monaco, Presidential Blue, Prussian Blue, Raw Sienna, Rustic Brown, Saddle Brown
J. Herbin: Cacao Du Bresil, Eclat De Saphir, Encre Blue (Lavender scented), Lie de The, Lierre Sauvage
Montblanc: Blue-Black, Burgundy, Racing Green
Private Reserve: Avacado
Sailor Jentle Blue-Black
Sheaffer Skrip Black (20+ years old)
Waterman Havana
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Page 4 Top to Bottom
Iroshizuki:
  • Fuyo-syugon
  • Ku-jaku
  • Kon-peki
  • Yama-budo
  • Tsutsuji
  • Yu-yake
  • Yama-guri
  • Tsukushi
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Page 4 During:
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Page 4 at 15 mins (note that there are a couple of spots where the page was not immersed):
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Page 4 After:
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Page 5 (top to bottom)
  • Iroshizuki Tsuki-yo
  • Iroshizuki Shin-ryoku
  • Iroshizuki Syo-ro
  • Pelikan Edelstein Jade
  • Platinum Carbon Black
  • J. Herbin Perle Noire
  • Private Reserve Velvet Black
  • Diamine Jet Black
  • Private Reserve Ebony Purple

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Page 5 During:
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Page 5 at 15 mins:
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Page 5 After:
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Edited by jde, 21 November 2010 - 19:50.

 
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Posted 21 November 2010 - 19:54

oooh. :puddle: Platinum Carbon Black.

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 21:45

Wow That Platinum black is good stuff! :thumbup:

It occurs to me that perhaps we should be using coffee as ink (the coffee rings stayed pretty good!) :roflmho:

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 22:02

I credit Lisa aka ethernautrix for pointing me in the direction of Platinum Carbon Black. She knows her 'bulletproof' inks!
 
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Posted 21 November 2010 - 22:34

Also brilliant. Thank you for doing this while you were sick; it's an impressive effort.

Is it weird that I really like the coffee-stained blotchy pages, in all the 'during' photos, a lot? :huh: I love how the colours have run and separated and it's interesting to see what they separated into. I hand-dye fabric a bit and I love when the colours run together and/or separate like that.
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Posted 24 November 2010 - 22:10

I LOVE these, Julie! Thank you for doing them!

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 22:11

I credit Lisa aka ethernautrix for pointing me in the direction of Platinum Carbon Black. She knows her 'bulletproof' inks!



Steve (Light) had talked about them, and then Ricky (AltecGreen) brought a bottle to PPPC (Pen Posse Peter's Cafe) so I could try it, and I lahve eet! We are spreading the PCB love.

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 22:27

I LOVE these, Julie! Thank you for doing them!


It was fun! And also changed the direction of my inks back to permanent inks.
 
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Posted 27 November 2010 - 23:27

Fantastic work... Thanks for nice tests
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Posted 28 November 2010 - 02:13

Julie, that is some great testing...opened my eyes to :thumbup: Platinum Carbon Black :happyberet:
Thank you for posting this :clap1:

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 16:44

Julie, that is some great testing...opened my eyes to :thumbup: Platinum Carbon Black :happyberet:


Thanks, Fred! That Platinum Carbon Black is used by a lot of my pen pals. Artists esp. seem to love it for its steadfast-ness.
Pre-test it looked much like J. Herbin Perle Noire to me. But the water tells the tale.

See you in a few weeks.
 
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