Just Got These Pics In From Italy... Whatcha Think?

[ruffcat]

I'd like number 7 in silver please

 

(I'm still contemplating nib size)

[shrinknib]

Thanks everyone!

 

I think the name will be "Leva Fratturato".

<snip>

Bry

 

I imagine you are aiming at a name like "Cracked Ice Lever Filler" but this pen may not be popular among those who go to Google Translate and get "fractured lever"!!

 

Dan

 

The pitfalls of those online translators. I'm pretty sure, although a native speaker of Italian will have to confirm, "leva" (lever) is feminine. So were to be "fractured lever" then the adjective would need to be feminine, i.e. "leva fratturata", which it isn't. It could however be super elliptical for "il sistema di caracimento a leva" (lever-filling system); "sistema" is masculine so in full it would be a "fractured lever filling system".

 

Actually, I think "celluloide" (celluoid) is feminine, so the masculine "fratturato" can't be modifying albeit implicity. Perhaps, it's modifying "il disegno" (design) -- in the sense of the pattern -- of the celluloide.

 

I don't know what that masculine "fratturato" is supposed to be modifying, but as such it not "leva" (lever). Perhaps that's the point.

 

I'm rather puzzled by the Italian name. :hmm1:

 

I suspect Eric that sometimes knowledge is a dangerous thing

 

Edit to add- beautiful pen Bry. However think I have bought my quota from you this week...

Edited July 21, 2010 by shrinknib

[jasam]

Thanks everyone!

 

I think the name will be "Leva Fratturato".

<snip>

Bry

 

I imagine you are aiming at a name like "Cracked Ice Lever Filler" but this pen may not be popular among those who go to Google Translate and get "fractured lever"!!

 

Dan

 

The pitfalls of those online translators. I'm pretty sure, although a native speaker of Italian will have to confirm, "leva" (lever) is feminine. So were to be "fractured lever" then the adjective would need to be feminine, i.e. "leva fratturata", which it isn't. It could however be super elliptical for "il sistema di caracimento a leva" (lever-filling system); "sistema" is masculine so in full it would be a "fractured lever filling system".

 

Actually, I think "celluloide" (celluoid) is feminine, so the masculine "fratturato" can't be modifying albeit implicity. Perhaps, it's modifying "il disegno" (design) -- in the sense of the pattern -- of the celluloide.

 

I don't know what that masculine "fratturato" is supposed to be modifying, but as such it not "leva" (lever). Perhaps that's the point.

 

I'm rather puzzled by the Italian name. :hmm1:

 

Celluloide is also maschile, it would be Il celluloide, fratturato is also maschile but not an a subject, il disegno is also maschile.. the only femminile word is leva which would be la leva...

 

depending on what you are trying to say and I'll help you

[jasam]

 

 

Edit to add- beautiful pen Bry. However think I have bought my quota from you this week...

 

 

Share the news!!!! what's the new toy????

[eric47]

Celluloide is also maschile, it would be Il celluloide, fratturato is also maschile but not an a subject, il disegno is also maschile.. the only femminile word is leva which would be la leva...

 

depending on what you are trying to say and I'll help you

 

I've looked in two Italian dictionaries, and both show celluloide as feminine not masculine in Italian. So fratturato as masculine isn't modifying celluloide if I'm to believe those dictionaries.

 

I'm not the one trying to say anything with "lava fratturato", I suppose it's either Delta or Bryant. They should be one's who should tell us what's "fratturato" because it isn't the "leva" or the "celluloide" because both are feminine.

 

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Your location is Mexico, but are you Italian? In italiano orrende, ho verificato in due dizionari, "celluloide" come "leva" è femminile. "Fratturato" è maschile ed un aggettivo, no? Se un aggettivo, cosa modifica? Non la leva o la celluloide perché sono femminili. la mia ipotesi non seria è stato "il disegno della celluloide". Inoltre il nome "leva fratturato" non è mio, è di Delta o Bryant. Vorrei capire solo la significa del nome (cioè cos'è fratturato?), non è ben chiaro a me.

 

I suspect Eric that sometimes knowledge is a dangerous thing

Well said, I should just let it go. I sometimes get a kick at names of things when they work and don't. I once saw written outside of an Italian restaurant in US, "Cucina Italiano" when it should have been "cucina italiana" unless the writer had something super mysterious in mind.

Edited July 21, 2010 by eric47

[Bryant]

Honestly... I was I was just playing around with a fun and unique name. I did accidentally put a an "o", instead of an "a", but I dont think it needs to be so over analyzed. The point of this thread was to just share my excitement with seeing the pictures of the new pen.

That being said, I was not stuck on that name... At this point Im not sure what the name will be...

[ethernautrix]

Well... Delta Dental is taken, so it can't be that.

 

Delta Delta Delta, ditto.

 

Delta Dawn. Nope.

 

How about Frederico? "Hello, pen world, thees ees Frederico. Frederico, thees ees za pen world."

[Bryant]

I'd like number 7 in silver please

 

(I'm still contemplating nib size)

Number 7 in silver is taken, shoot me an email D. I have number 7 in gold though...

Cheers!

Bry

[FrankB]

Bryant wrote

 

" ... Italy closes shop in August so they will be shipped before then."

 

I find that statement to be a very restrained euphemism for Italy's ceasing to function as a nation for the month of August. I intend no negative criticism, simply ongoing wonderment.

 

I believe the original question is what one thinks of the pen. I think it is a lovely celluloid that has an enticing vintage look to it. I also like the shape of the pen. The threads are about where I hold a pen also, but I hold a pen so loosely I doubt it would bother me. And there is the wonderful Delta nib. I have never had a problem with a Delta nib. Unfortunately, I cannot order one because I just got a new O/S Dolce Vita "Oro," which is pretty much my pen budget for the summer.

 

Speaking of the O/S Dolce Vita, how large is this pen? By analogy, Dolce Vita O/S? Medium?

[Bryant]

Bryant wrote

 

" ... Italy closes shop in August so they will be shipped before then."

 

I find that statement to be a very restrained euphemism for Italy's ceasing to function as a nation for the month of August. I intend no negative criticism, simply ongoing wonderment.

 

I believe the original question is what one thinks of the pen. I think it is a lovely celluloid that has an enticing vintage look to it. I also like the shape of the pen. The threads are about where I hold a pen also, but I hold a pen so loosely I doubt it would bother me. And there is the wonderful Delta nib. I have never had a problem with a Delta nib. Unfortunately, I cannot order one because I just got a new O/S Dolce Vita "Oro," which is pretty much my pen budget for the summer.

 

Speaking of the O/S Dolce Vita, how large is this pen? By analogy, Dolce Vita O/S? Medium?

 

My comment was made to say that Italy... As in Delta in Italy closes shop for almost all of August. I live here in the in the US, so I dont know from first hand experience. My sister spent about 5 years there and she said, its not like the whole country closes shop, but lots of restaurants, botiques and other small and large business close for vacation in August. Maybe someone in Italy can explain better too.

 

I would compare this pen to a pen between a Medium and a Piston.

Cheers!

Bry

[bugmd]

Yep, pencil me in for a fine nib with the silver trim. Lovely pen.

 

Don

[jasam]

 

 

I've looked in two Italian dictionaries, and both show celluloide as feminine not masculine in Italian. So fratturato as masculine isn't modifying celluloide if I'm to believe those dictionaries.

 

I'm not the one trying to say anything with "lava fratturato", I suppose it's either Delta or Bryant. They should be one's who should tell us what's "fratturato" because it isn't the "leva" or the "celluloide" because both are feminine.

 

 

Hey Eric, you are right with Celluloide!

 

Io sono messicano

 

Di dove sei?

 

Beautiful pens but the color does not go with my style... again, beautiful pens, as usual with Bryant's work.

Congratulations to the soon to be owners of another Chatterley design

 

JAS

[eric47]

Honestly... I was I was just playing around with a fun and unique name. I did accidentally put a an "o", instead of an "a", but I dont think it needs to be so over analyzed. The point of this thread was to just share my excitement with seeing the pictures of the new pen.

That being said, I was not stuck on that name... At this point Im not sure what the name will be...

 

No problem, I think some of us were trying to help with the name so as to not give it one that doesn't quite work in the language and showing up on the Italian equivalent of engrish.com. But if it was a typo and you were considering "leva fratturata", then Dan's original comment stands. It means "fractured lever". There's a way to use still both words the name but you'll need a preposition. Choice is yours however.

 

Back on topic. I like the celluloid and look of the pen. Alas I fear that's another big Delta, and lever fillers aren't my favorite system -- but understand your reason to mix that up a bit. Same size as the Dolce Vita piston and button Demo LE? Mostly a question of the section.

Edited July 22, 2010 by eric47

[Bryant]

Honestly... I was I was just playing around with a fun and unique name. I did accidentally put a an "o", instead of an "a", but I dont think it needs to be so over analyzed. The point of this thread was to just share my excitement with seeing the pictures of the new pen.

That being said, I was not stuck on that name... At this point Im not sure what the name will be...

 

No problem, I think some of us were trying to help with the name to one that doesn't quite work in the language and showing up on the Italian equivalent of engrish.com. But if it was a typo and you were considering "leva fratturata", then Dan's original comment stands. It means "fractured lever". There's a way to use still both words the name but you'll need a preposition. Choice is yours however.

 

Back on topic. I like the celluloid and look of the pen. Alas I fear that's another big Delta, and lever fillers aren't my favorite system -- but understand your reason to mix that up a bit. Same size as the Dolce Vita piston and button Demo LE? Mostly a question of the section.

I am all up for suggestions for the name of the pen. If anyone has any ideas, add it here or shoot me a PM.

Its not as big as the Delta piston or button, but its not a small pen either. Its between I would say the medium and piston. The pen is based shape wise off the peace pen. I dont think many know the size, but its a good "user" size I would say. When I get them, I will post comparison pics.

[shrinknib]

 

 

Edit to add- beautiful pen Bry. However think I have bought my quota from you this week...

 

 

Share the news!!!! what's the new toy????

 

I'll show you when it arrives- you will like it!

[shrinknib]

 

 

I suspect Eric that sometimes knowledge is a dangerous thing

Well said, I should just let it go. I sometimes get a kick at names of things when they work and don't. I once saw written outside of an Italian restaurant in US, "Cucina Italiano" when it should have been "cucina italiana" unless the writer had something super mysterious in mind.

 

was it a REAL Italian restaurant?

I think they are hard to find over there....

I can see why you love Italian pens so much

[OMASmaniac]

as far as the name is concerned, what about a simple "Marmo venato" [veined marble]? Very banal, but it describes the colour quite well...

Or maybe "Alabastro venato" [veined alabaster], which sounds a little bit more exotic and fascinating?

[Bryant]

as far as the name is concerned, what about a simple "Marmo venato" [veined marble]? Very banal, but it describes the colour quite well...

Or maybe "Alabastro venato" [veined alabaster], which sounds a little bit more exotic and fascinating?

 

"Marmo venato" ... I love it. That was easy for me. Done! Thats the name! If you want one, you can have one at my cost for coming up with the name!

Thanks!

Bry

[OMASmaniac]

as far as the name is concerned, what about a simple "Marmo venato" [veined marble]? Very banal, but it describes the colour quite well...

Or maybe "Alabastro venato" [veined alabaster], which sounds a little bit more exotic and fascinating?

 

"Marmo venato" ... I love it. That was easy for me. Done! Thats the name! If you want one, you can have one at my cost for coming up with the name!

Thanks!

Bry

 

Glad that you liked it! So you mean that I can have one for free? :roflmho:

[reprieve]

Marmo venato is simply brilliant. I love it.