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I read in Japanese web site that Pelikan changed how they grind the nib. Is this confirmed?

It said shape of the pen point is more round and writes wider. It is evidently so for M or broader.

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I read in Japanese web site that Pelikan changed how they grind the nib. Is this confirmed?

It said shape of the pen point is more round and writes wider. It is evidently so for M or broader.

 

Do you have a link to that article?

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I read in Japanese web site that Pelikan changed how they grind the nib. Is this confirmed?

It said shape of the pen point is more round and writes wider. It is evidently so for M or broader.

 

Changed with respect to when? Pelikan nibs are certainly different from those of the 50's and 60's, so It has changed to be more ball like. So, you mean a further more recent change?

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Pelikan changed the specification of their nibs just over a year ago. The tipping is more rounded than it used to be. I can tell the difference between the current and previous types with a naked eye, it is that pronounced.

 

The plus side of this is that "out of the box" EF and F nibs are much smoother. This will be an advantage to those who buy their pens at non-specialist retailers.

 

The down-side is that the larger point sizes have lost some line variation, particularly the oblique nibs.

 

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Hello Martin, do you have any info whether the nibs are now manufactured by Pelikan in house or by Bock?

 

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Is this the article?

 

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We'll have to hear from the OP. The article is from 2007. Not sure how recent a change he or she is interested in. There's the obvious change from 14k to 18k, and that's mostly what the article is about, i.e., the difference between so-called "PF era" 18k nibs and the 14c nibs. It does touch on the current ones. I think 万年筆評価の部屋 is a good site with lots of good info, but i don't think the PF mark is really all that significant.

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Hello Martin, do you have any info whether the nibs are now manufactured by Pelikan in house or by Bock?

 

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I don't know for sure. It has certainly been speculated here that production has returned in-house. What I do know is that the tipping has a quite different shape, the newer tips being fatter and more rounded.

 

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even more "rounder"... they already had just huge iridium blobs on their nibs... a move in the wrong direction, in my opinion.

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Hello Martin, do you have any info whether the nibs are now manufactured by Pelikan in house or by Bock?

 

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The production of nibs are in house again. Check Rick Propos's blog. He visited the factory last year and has a whole section devoted to the in house nib production and pictures. At that time, the M1000 nibs were still being sourced from Bock but they were also due to return to in house manufacture.

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Hello Martin, do you have any info whether the nibs are now manufactured by Pelikan in house or by Bock?

 

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Hari

 

I don't know for sure. It has certainly been speculated here that production has returned in-house. What I do know is that the tipping has a quite different shape, the newer tips being fatter and more rounded.

 

Martin

 

Martin, I've noticed this on other brands as well, like the Bock made Visconti, Omas, and Stipula nibs. One of my local shops told me that some manufacturers are requesting the nibs be tipped this way for users coming from BP who tend to hold the nibs in a more upright position.

 

With a blob on the front of the nib, I find it produces a deader feeling nib.

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With a blob on the front of the nib, I find it produces a deader feeling nib.

 

Agreed. IMHO the new nib shape loses the precise feel that made Pelikan nibs so nice to write with.

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This news horrifies me.

 

Would anyone be able to post a magnified view of the new tip?

 

How radically altered is the writing experience?

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Can someone who has both the new and old nibs, take some comparison photos?, it will be very helpful to understand.

 

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Can someone who has both the new and old nibs, take some comparison photos?, it will be very helpful to understand.

 

Both of these are Fine Pelikan nibs, bought within a few weeks of each other. The top image shows an older style M650 nib - the iridium is pointed. The bottom image shows a newer style M415 nib - the iridium is ball-shaped. Vintage Pelikan nibs are 'sharper' still - it makes for a less-forgiving but more precise feeling nib.

 

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7919/pelikannibs.jpg

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That is superb! Thanks 1000km. From the photo, it looks like the the newer nibs are tipped the way similar to Pilot Custom nibs. Would it be possible for you to take a side shot of the tipping of the newer nib?

 

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That is superb! Thanks 1000km. From the photo, it looks like the the newer nibs are tipped the way similar to Pilot Custom nibs. Would it be possible for you to take a side shot of the tipping of the newer nib?

 

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Hari

 

Thanks Hari.

Alas, my frustration with the nib led me to sell it rather than pay to have it ground to a decent point. Here's another slightly clearer image.

 

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6007/pelikanm415nib.jpg

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Thanks 1000km.

 

What was it about the change in the nib's performance that you disliked so much?

 

The reason I like Pelikan, as others have said here, is that they have (or had) a precise wedge-like point. I dislike my Pilot 823 for the very reason that it's ball-shaped and as dull as buggery. (In my opinion.)

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This changes makes it difficult for me to choose between F and EF for M1000. If it comes with new nib. EF can be smoother?

Is this change the same EF nib change which is mentioned in another thread about M1000 EF nib. I read a comment there Richard Binder started to stock Pelikan EF nib for some time due to the improvement of EF stock nib from the factory.

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