twsbi vacuum filling system fountain pen project

[Renzhe]

WHAAAAT??? I don't read the forums for a few months and then someone starts an interesting ambitious project! 佩服.

[mackthepen]

Some ink in my TWSBI has made it past the seal. Is this a normal occurrence, and is there a video to help me with disassembling the pen? This is my first fountain pen, so I'm learning as I go.

 

 

Here:

 

 

Does anyone know what the backing track is on this video?

 

Andrew

[speedy]

One importante thing:

 

Can this vac fill pen be posted?

 

I had read that speedy would confirm if the new pen could be posted...

 

 

yes, you can post, but it will be pretty long though.

about the same length as if you post your diamond 530.

[speedy]

Some ink in my TWSBI has made it past the seal. Is this a normal occurrence, and is there a video to help me with disassembling the pen? This is my first fountain pen, so I'm learning as I go.

 

 

Here:

 

 

Does anyone know what the backing track is on this video?

 

Andrew

it is one of the music by Andrea Bocelli, the very famous Italian singer.

Gosh, just remind me if I am allowed to put his music in my video clip?

[dnb]

For what it's worth, I love the 530 but the size is too small for my hand and I struggle with it. Because of that it won't become an everyday writer. I'm afraid in looking at the new pictures that the 700 will end up being too narrow in the section again. And, as far as length, with the 530, when it begins to run down a bit on ink, I unscrew the piston cap to add length. Even 1/8" makes a difference.

Also, will the cap and the plunger cap ends be faceted this time and not the body as shown in the picture?

Edited November 29, 2010 by dnb

[Delphideo]

Some ink in my TWSBI has made it past the seal. Is this a normal occurrence, and is there a video to help me with disassembling the pen? This is my first fountain pen, so I'm learning as I go.

 

 

Here:

 

 

Does anyone know what the backing track is on this video?

 

Andrew

it is one of the music by Andrea Bocelli, the very famous Italian singer.

Gosh, just remind me if I am allowed to put his music in my video clip?

 

 

Ugh, sorry to rain on your parade, but you can't. It wouldn't fall under fair use since you're using it for business and his work is being related to your company without the consent of the author..

 

 

[kcunvong]

After reading through these pages, I'm sold on the 530. I thought the best pistonfillers came from Germany, but I think I am wrong and need to expand my horizons. I'll have to look into January to get this 530 pen. I'm also eager to get a hold of the vacumatic (dark amber demonstrator, please?). Needless to say, I will be following these pages very closely.

[Bo Bo Olson]

Once US patents ran 17 years and renewable for 17 years.

 

The one hit 'wonder' Runaway's music was used in a popular Los Vegas cop show....and being broke and depressed the singer/writer killed himself, because of free use of his work.

He had not renewed the patent on his song at 17 years and it became free.

So music from the '60's should be ok.

 

Micheal Jackson's buying the Beatles songs was the most stupid thing anyone could do. Some couple of years after he bought them....they were all free.

 

One of the reasons why so many oldie-goldie radio shows is they do not have to pay the three cents to the music writer and three cents to the song writer.

The singer gets nothing.

 

I'm not sure how far back the new patent law was grandfathered. It could be that all the songs that were with in patent; when the patent laws were changed were then extended to the life time and fifty years of now...for writing.

 

But stuff from the '60's should be free. It could be some stuff from the very early '70's is also free.

Edited December 14, 2010 by Bo Bo Olson

[Lefthand_Smudge]

Once US patents ran 17 years and renewable for 17 years.

 

The one hit 'wonder' Runaway's music was used in a popular Los Vegas cop show....and being broke and depressed the singer/writer killed himself, because of free use of his work.

He had not renewed the patent on his song at 17 years and it became free.

So music from the '60's should be ok.

 

Micheal Jackson's buying the Beatles songs was the most stupid thing anyone could do. Some couple of years after he bought them....they were all free.

 

One of the reasons why so many oldie-goldie radio shows is they do not have to pay the three cents to the music writer and three cents to the song writer.

The singer gets nothing.

 

I'm not sure how far back the new patent law was grandfathered. It could be that all the songs that were with in patent; when the patent laws were changed were then extended to the life time and fifty years of now...for writing.

 

But stuff from the '60's should be free. It could be some stuff from the very early '70's is also free.

 

I don't think this is entirely correct. Songs are not covered by patents but copyright. Patents are typically for inventions like filling systems, light bulbs and car window washers where copyright is for artistic creations like songs and books.

 

Patent length can vary from product to product, but the minimum copyright on an artistic work is the author's life plus 50 years. After which it becomes public domain. In some cases where the work was created by the State or Crown, the life of the copyright tends to be 50 years.

[coldman]

Patents are not copyright! Copyright on music lasts much longer than patents on inventions.

 

http://www.researchcopyright.com/copyright-basics-how-long-does-copyright-last.php

 

If you want music you can be sure you can use in a commercial video then Magnatune might be a good place to look (no affiliation).

[Wyre]

LOL, I just ordered a 530 a few days ago... looks like my collection is going to get a bit larger.

 

That is a beautiful design! Modern-Contemporary-Stylish-Understated... I really like it.

 

Guess my wife will have to forgive the order of one more pen.

 

P.S. If we are able to get them in a titanium nib... put me in for one. I will even pre-order if needed.

 

P.S.S. I would also like to see an ink well with the cap being the TSWBI logo, maybe even in the same sort of angular design as the cap.

 

Thank you for all that you do!

[Bo Bo Olson]

[quote

 

I don't think this is entirely correct. Songs are not covered by patents but copyright. Patents are typically for inventions like filling systems, light bulbs and car window washers where copyright is for artistic creations like songs and books.

 

Patent length can vary from product to product, but the minimum copyright on an artistic work is the author's life plus 50 years. After which it becomes public domain. In some cases where the work was created by the State or Crown, the life of the copyright tends to be 50 years.

 

Used the wrong word, but copy write use be just like patents Then. 17 years and 17 years.

Now it's different. But I think if the second copy write expired before the new law...it was tuffinsky.

[Ernst Bitterman]

Not to derail the thread entirely, but I don't think Del Shannon's suicide was particularly related to the use of "Runaway" as the theme for Crime Story, since it gave him a second kick at popularity, and he'd participated in the re-recording of the lyrics to make the song more appropriate to the show. I'm unwilling to look into the question of whether Shannon still held the copyright or whether he'd sold it to his recording lable, but a quick look at this page regarding US copyright indicates a 28 year term (with renewal for another 28) term, with some slightly opaque stuff about automatic extentions for things copyrighted before 1978 following a 1976 enactment.

 

Some people are just suicidal. He may have been depressed at the prospect of being invited to join The Travelling Wilburys.

 

I'd still see about getting the Boccelli music separated from the video. There should be some public domain stuff available about the 'net.

Edited December 15, 2010 by Ernst Bitterman

[deckerbj]

As others have more correctly stated, current copyrights (at least as per US law, a result of long past efforts of international harmonization) are tied to the life of the author (unless they are a work made for hire - which, in other words, is one made for and properly owned by a corporation, or are anonymous or pseudonymous works). What has changed in the more recent past is how long the copyright lasts beyond the author's lifetime (now generally 70 years, with some exceptions applying). Ernst cited to authority on the US Copyright Office website, which more completely describes the different situations in which the term may differ, depending upon the date of the work.

 

Notwithstanding, hasty, authoritative comments without basis can be severely misleading to the members of this forum and should be cautioned against. Promoting such falsely premised knowledge as fact helps nobody.

 

"So music from the '60's should be ok." NO. This is not OK. It is most likely that these are still protected by US copyright law and the term has not expired.

 

"Micheal Jackson's buying the Beatles songs was the most stupid thing anyone could do. Some couple of years after he bought them....they were all free." I would submit that no Beatles songs are "free" and that there were many more stupid things one could do. I suspect that the Beatles rights constituted a significant portion of any whealth amassed by Mr. Jackson at the time of his death.

 

"One of the reasons why so many oldie-goldie radio shows is they do not have to pay the three cents to the music writer and three cents to the song writer. The singer gets nothing." Again, most if not all are likely still protected and royalties owed and paid by the radio station (mechanical royalties or juke-box royalties introduce another level of complexity, but do not avoid the issue that the works are still protected by US copyright).

 

"But stuff from the '60's should be free. It could be some stuff from the very early '70's is also free." Again, not true in most all cases.

 

Please, consider whether your statements are supported by fact, or more importantly, whether they are egregiously misrepresenting well-founded principles. We have seen it before regarding other topics, treating one's personal opinion (or worse one's blatant disregard of the law) as absolute fact and forcefully stating the same can only harm this community.

Edited December 15, 2010 by deckerbj

[Bo Bo Olson]

I had a good civics teacher in 1963....and must have missed that question.

I was sure it was 17 years and not the 28 years...that I care about...as I said old days.

[deckerbj]

In most circumstances, we are not concerned about either the supposed 17 year term or the 28 year term, as it can generally assumed to be either the life of the author + 70 years or 120 years from creation. This holds true for most works created on/after 1976. Works prior to 1976, however, have different terms and extension periods associated applicable thereto. No extension is provided for works after 1976.

 

You may be conflating US patent duration and US copyright duration, whereas, prior to 1995, patent term was 17 years from issuance (now it may be 17 years or 20 years, depending upon when filed). However, there are no renewable extension for patents (term can be cut short by not paying maintenance fees ...).

 

Long story short, Michael Jackson is not an idiot (for purchasing the Beatles masters, though, price paid and use of the masters may factor into such a subjective opinion), Del Shannon should not have hanged himself for the reason of a supposed release of his hit into the public domain (or should have at least sought a second opinion from a different IP attorney), and the oldies but goodies stations may or may not be paying royalties on all songs, but there are probably a good portion for which they are.

 

No, how about that vacuum TSWBI!!!!!!

[easirois]

Any updates on when the TWSBI Vac will be available as a prototype or as full production? I was hoping get one for Xmas. Any chance they will be available in Q1 2001?

 

Kind regards,

Eric

[hobobaggins]

Any updates on when the TWSBI Vac will be available as a prototype or as full production? I was hoping get one for Xmas. Any chance they will be available in Q1 2001?

 

Kind regards,

Eric

 

tee-hee 2k1.

 

I believe speedy said it would be coming in Feb/March?!

[easirois]

d'oh..yes, that's supposed to be 2011. :embarrassed_smile: Feb/March - Maybe in time for the birth of my second daughter. Another one in the collection with some personal significance.

 

Kind regards,

Eric

[hobobaggins]

She won't remember the few month difference. Are you going to save it until graduation/adulthood?